Andre DuPres in the 1795 storyline

[loril54]

Well, perhaps Don Briscoe played Nathan   and Christopher Pennock as Alexis, Josef's manservant, prone to fits of jealousy and a dabbler in the black arts.....

Hey the Vampire meets the werwolf. Wasn't that an abbott and costellow movie.

Lori

[Nelson Collins]

Hey the Vampire meets the werwolf. Wasn't that an abbott and costellow movie.

Yes, but probably the most well-known vampire/werewolf pairing around these parts (not counting Angel season Five) would have to be Barn/Quentin!

[loril54]

That is true. How about Barnabas, Quention, Adam, Eve, Laura, and Angelique. Oh yes we can't forget Jeb in his natural form. All of them going on Oprah.

Josette needed a better Father. He didn't really protect her at all.

Lori

[Nelson Collins]

Josette needed a better Father. He didn't really protect her at all.

True, but women were property then worth only their dowry or married to provide business opportunities for the family (as in the DuPres/Collins alliance).

He may have loved and doted on her, but she was still a possession.  Independent wealthy (widowed?) women like the Countess were very rare.

[Nelson Collins]

That is true. How about Barnabas, Quention, Adam, Eve, Laura, and Angelique. Oh yes we can't forget Jeb in his natural form. All of them going on Oprah.

Vampires, Werewolves, Witches - and their victims .... Next Sally!

[loril54]

He may have loved and doted on her, but she was still a possession.  Independent wealthy (widowed?) women like the Countess were very rare.

Grayson played the Countess well, (though not her favorite part). In the earlier portion of the show, did David Ford play a good father and protect his daughter??

Lori

[Lydia]

Independent wealthy (widowed?) women like the Countess were very rare.

This is something that always puzzles me: how is it that the Countess is a Countess?  Right at the beginning of 1795, if I remember correctly, she mentions being a Countess from her birth.  I don't see how a female could be born with a title like that.  All I can figure is that infant Natalie came down the chute, poked her head out, and said (in French), "I'm a Countess.  Get it?"  and the doctor was too cowed to argue with her.  He probably didn't give her the spank that newborns traditionally receive, either.

Meanwhile, Andre seems to be plain Monsieur DuPres.  Did he give up his title in the Revolution while Natalie remained intransigent?

[loril54]

All I can figure is that infant Natalie came down the chute, poked her head out, and said (in French), "I'm a Countess.  Get it?"  and the doctor was too cowed to argue with her.  He probably didn't give her the spank that newborns traditionally receive, either.

Or did she marry a count in a secret ceramony. Maybe then cursed by Angelique. ( the countess didn't know that she was a witch)

Lori

[Lydia]

In the earlier portion of the show, did David Ford play a good father and protect his daughter??

One of the scenes that always sticks in my mind is rather early in the Barnabas era.  Maggie is in the hospital, and everybody thinks she's dying.  Sam, crying, remembers being in this hospital waiting for her to be born, and now he's waiting for her to die.  It's the stuff of which soap operas are made - but it still moves me.  Good job by David Ford.

[Alondra]

Independent wealthy (widowed?) women like the Countess were very rare.

Do we know for a fact that the Countess had never been married? Is it possible she is a widow and came to live with Andre and Josette after Andre's wife died to provide that older female companionship to Josette? I don't remember it ever being said that she had never married. We can see in the storyline that Natalie loved Josette and they were very close. If she had been married to a Count who had died she would still be a Countess.

I think sometimes we assume that the Grayson Hall characters were all spinsters, except for Magda.

Alondra

[Mysterious Benefactor]

Can you imagine, Adam going under the knife. All of a sudden Barnabas falling down what would Julia think??

That's an interesting point. Considering that Barnabas felt it when the spirit of Philippe Cordier was [spoiler]strangling Adam[/spoiler]one could easily presume Barnabas should have experienced something similar when Adam was having his scars removed. Perhaps that means Adam rejected the idea of going to the clinic. Or perhaps it was simply that the procedure was conveniently done while Barnabas was already asleep, and when he woke up on his own, he simply wondered in the back of his mind why his face felt a bit odd. 

[loril54]

In the earlier portion of the show, did David Ford play a good father and protect his daughter??

I had forgotten that, that was really sad.

One of the scenes that always sticks in my mind is rather early in the Barnabas era. ...

They also had Vickie sitting with Maggie, [spoiler]and the show where there was the howling and they can't get the door open.[/spoiler] very scary really got me.

These were great shows.

Lori

[Midnite]

Can you imagine, Adam going under the knife. All of a sudden Barnabas falling down what would Julia think??

Not really, since one would assume that general anesthesia would be used and Adam would feel nothing. 

[Nelson Collins]

Independent wealthy (widowed?) women like the Countess were very rare.

Do we know for a fact that the Countess had never been married? Is it possible she is a widow and came to live with Andre and Josette after Andre's wife died to provide that older female companionship to Josette? I don't remember it ever being said that she had never married. We can see in the storyline that Natalie loved Josette and they were very close. If she had been married to a Count who had died she would still be a Countess.

I think sometimes we assume that the Grayson Hall characters were all spinsters, except for Magda.

I am guessing she either married into the DuPres family (Andre's brother in France) then fled to Martinique when the Count (and most of the other aristos that did not run) was guillotined during the outbreak of the Revolution, or she is Andre's blood sister, married a count, and when he was executed, kept the title but took back her family name DuPres when she rejoined Andre and Josette in Martinique.
 

[Mysterious Benefactor]

I'm pretty sure that it's established that Natalie is Andre's blood sister. But what I am sure about is that in Ep #368/369, Natalie informs Joshua that she was born with her title.