DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '02 II => Topic started by: Gothick on August 08, 2002, 10:24:06 PM
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I had such vivid memories of watching this bit of the story way back when. When the announcement that DS was going to be released on home video was first made, there were several episodes I recalled that I knew I would enjoy seeing them, and the one where Stokes declared Eve's as the spirit of the most evil WOMAN who ever lived in the Eighteenth Century was one of them.
You can tell that Leona is eee-vil because she talks and dresses like a drag queen. Where DID she get that hairpiece, anyhow--the Cassandra Collins Wig Barn?
I think it would have been more interesting to have continued the Philippe Cordier story. Perhaps Jonathan Frid could have played Philippe in flashbacks to Danielle's infamous past during the Terror. He did a marvelous job being possessed by Philippe during that seance.
What they shifted the story to, in my opinion, considerably deadens (excuse the pun) the interest in Eve's story. I do think that Marie Wallace gave a marvelous performance in the role. And I think she looks great in that black cocktail dress, even if it is faintly absurd that that is how she was dressed for her first day on Earth. I bet Erica Fitz was ready to kill when she saw that dress.
There's a rather touching tale that a fan wrote about Julia shopping for Eve's dress... can't recall now just where I read it.
Poor Motherless Eve ...
Gothick
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And she wanted to kill Carolyn, too!!! GRRR!!! [smash]!!! I was wondering why they didn't summon Lucretia Borgia or something ... that woulda been really funnie.
And in the scene where she was laying down while talking to Adam .... OMG! I was like "CLOSE UR LEGS!" Skirts/dresses back then were soooo short! :o How did people wear that? LOL
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I think it would have been more interesting to have continued the Philippe Cordier story. Perhaps Jonathan Frid could have played Philippe in flashbacks to Danielle's infamous past during the Terror. He did a marvelous job being possessed by Philippe during that seance.
I think the creation of new character "Danielle Roget" was meant to re-establish Victoria's trip to 1795 with a bit of back-story embellishment. Unfortunately, it goes all over the place and ends up not making much sense.
"Danielle" was summoned by Nicholas and in human form posing as "Leona Eltridge" I assume this is what she looked like in life. However, later (spoiler warning)
Angelique sends Eve back in time to relive a moment w/Peter Bradford in 1795, and she looks like Eve instead of Danielle Roget/Leona Eltridge. That didn't make any sense. Plus the whole backstory w/Eve being in love with Jeff Clark was boring.
It occurred to me how great it would have been to summon the spirit of SUKI FORBES instead of "Danielle Roget," if they intended to milk the 1795 connection. It would have been equally interesting to have Suki play not only the life force but the body host as well. A great way not only for a new connection to 1795, but for more involvement w/Joe Haskell, who Suki might see as Nathan Forbes. Jane Draper was so enjoyable as Suki it's a shame they never brought her back.
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These episodes were probably my favorites this week...the storyline has become sooooooooo boring and I wish I could come after Adam with a pitchfork. I thought the entire sensations thing was just hillarious..aren't those called reflexes? *Shrug* And it reminded me about that convo about Eve's undergarments...I can see this happening if Willie was there:
Julia: I'm gonna test her sensations.
Barnabas: I don't think she has any.
Willie: O' course she does! I made sure she had sensations when I dug up the grave!
I like Eve..she's mean to Adam which is a maaajoorr plus in my book.
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It occurred to me how great it would have been to summon the spirit of SUKI FORBES instead of "Danielle Roget," if they intended to milk the 1795 connection. It would have been equally interesting to have Suki play not only the life force but the body host as well. A great way not only for a new connection to 1795, but for more involvement w/Joe Haskell, who Suki might see as Nathan Forbes. Jane Draper was so enjoyable as Suki it's a shame they never brought her back.
I was thinking the exact same thing, Chris! As I watched the materialization of Danni Ragu I kept picturing the Suki Forbes character (especially in that dress) and about how it would have been great to use Jane Draper again. I never got as far as you though regarding the 1795 connection. You are very clever.
dom
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Love your comments.
A Fan
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It would have been equally interesting to have Suki play not only the life force but the body host as well. A great way not only for a new connection to 1795, but for more involvement w/Joe Haskell, who Suki might see as Nathan Forbes. Jane Draper was so enjoyable as Suki it's a shame they never brought her back.
The Joe Haskell character was already involved in a subplot of the Eve/Adam storyline (with Angelique as a Vampire) and it might have confused the writers even more...
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I had such vivid memories of watching this bit of the story way back when. When the announcement that DS was going to be released on home video was first made, there were several episodes I recalled that I knew I would enjoy seeing them, and the one where Stokes declared Eve's as the spirit of the most evil WOMAN who ever lived in the Eighteenth Century was one of them.
You can tell that Leona is eee-vil because she talks and dresses like a drag queen. Where DID she get that hairpiece, anyhow--the Cassandra Collins Wig Barn?
I think it would have been more interesting to have continued the Philippe Cordier story. Perhaps Jonathan Frid could have played Philippe in flashbacks to Danielle's infamous past during the Terror. He did a marvelous job being possessed by Philippe during that seance.
What they shifted the story to, in my opinion, considerably deadens (excuse the pun) the interest in Eve's story. I do think that Marie Wallace gave a marvelous performance in the role. And I think she looks great in that black cocktail dress, even if it is faintly absurd that that is how she was dressed for her first day on Earth. I bet Erica Fitz was ready to kill when she saw that dress.
There's a rather touching tale that a fan wrote about Julia shopping for Eve's dress... can't recall now just where I read it.
Poor Motherless Eve ...
Gothick
Daaahling, you made me sca-ream not one, not two, not three nor even four times - but five!!! (That very well may be a record, hon.) You are too, too, much! I knew I could count on you.
I did scream on my own today when I saw Eve rise to get up off the gurney. Girlfriend had on shoes! And with heels! (I have a pair just like them that I wear - but only when I vacuum; No Freddie Mercury references please...). I was waiting for someone to hand her a cocktail! LOL.
For me the series at this point will be a scream-fest as I absolutely relish each and every response Eve has for Adam; Either about him or especially to his face - Providing much needed comic relief to this almost preposterous storyline. And it doesn't help much that every time I read the name "Eve", I hear it as Bette Davis spoke it so deliciously throughout the film, All About Eve. EEEVE...
Happy Dom
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Love your comments.
A Fan
Welcome, A fan! You picked a great thread for your first post. "See" ya around.
Dom
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Prof S was at his best today but agree Eve was good today
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too bad they ruined her by having her chase after old Jeffy boy!(Call me Jeff not Peter!) ;D
Also Welcome afan too! :)
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It cracked me up when Stokes said that she committed every crime, I mean come on "every" crime?!?
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It cracked me up when Stokes said that she committed every crime, I mean come on "every" crime?!?
could see her stealing horses in that getup.....also about
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eve knowing peter bradford, boy is that a stretch, stokes did say she came over to the u.s. but as smart as he was, didnt know that she was in collinsport, and that she knew his ancestor....lol......almost as ridiculous as bradford knowing jeb from that time period.... ?!?
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Welcome, Afan!! :) Don't worry about mistakes. We all make them and no one pays much attention!
And, if you're talking about typos, an advantage of a board like this is that one can go back afterwards and edit it !! I've done it a lot!!!!
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Hey, Welcome back Gothick, haven't seen you here in awhile & missed your posts. :)
I had to laugh when I saw Eve "being born" and wearing that black dress, black stockings & heels as if she were heading off to a nightclub or something. I wonder who's idea it was for that?
You know I never noticed this before about Leona and her masculine appearance until my dad who had been watching the show with us yesterday commented on it, (mind you now, he's 81 & still noticed it) It's funny how you notice things the second time around that you didn't notice before.
Spoiler...............Spoiler..............Spoiler.............Spoiler...
I agree with you Chris, the whole Jeff Clark/Danielle Roget business made no sense what so ever. Why on earth would she take a liking to him? The two are more mismatched than Adam & Eve are. I could see her take a liking to Nathan Forbes before I could see her liking Jeff Clark.
Welcome to the group Afan! :)
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If Nicky Blair really wanted the most evil woman in the world for Eve's life force, then why didn't he get Martha Stewart?
Anya explains it all in dialogue from a season 6 Buffy episode, "Wrecked":
ANYA: Martha Stewart isn't a demon! She's a witch...
XANDER: Really?
ANYA: Of course. Nobody can do that much decoupage without calling on the powers of darkness...
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And, if you're talking about typos, an advantage of a board like this is that one can go back afterwards and edit it !! I've done it a lot!!!!
Well you learn something new everyday.. I just noticed the modify button on the posts after I read your comment :D
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For me the series at this point will be a scream-fest as I absolutely relish each and every response Eve has for Adam; Either about him or especially to his face - Providing much needed comic relief to this almost preposterous storyline. And it doesn't help much that every time I read the name "Eve", I hear it as Bette Davis spoke it so deliciously throughout the film, All About Eve. EEEVE...
LOL! Eve is too much fun...she's such a haughty b****!
MrsJ.
(As an aside, it was cute to see Robert Rodan and Marie Wallace together again at the fest this year).
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I had to laugh when I saw Eve "being born" and wearing that black dress, black stockings & heels as if she were heading off to a nightclub or something. I wonder who's idea it was for that?
I have a simple explanation for Eve's black dress: She was buried in it. Eve, or whoever she was before she died, was dug up by Willie, brought to Julia, and Julia just wrapped her up real good and tight in bandages soaked with anti-decomposing cream. She looks just as fresh and lovely as the day she was buried. (I wonder who Eve was before she was Eve? Probably some cocktail waitress down at the Blue Whale.)
I agree with you Chris, the whole Jeff Clark/Danielle Roget business made no sense what so ever. Why on earth would she take a liking to him? The two are more mismatched than Adam & Eve are. I could see her take a liking to Nathan Forbes before I could see her liking Jeff Clark.
Angelique was plenty evil for 1795, and she didn't give a flip about Peter Bradford. I don't see why this alleged "most evil woman in the whole wide world" would look twice at such a dullard as Peter Bradford.
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LOVE this thread! Erica Fitz has always stood out in my mind as one of the more off-beat casting choices made by DC and Company, so I am definitely enjoying everyone's comments.
Noticed that EF looked like a cross between the 60s-era Marianne Faithfull and Mary Kay Place as Loretta Haggers (that hair!). Not to mention her flat delivery of every line.
Other thoughts:
Whenever someone mentioned the name 'Leona Eltridge', I expected them to say 'Leona Helmsley'. Now, THERE'S someone who would have made an excellent life force.
When Adam enters Josette's room to tell Leona that Stokes wants to speak to her, Robert Rodan is quite clearly laughing at the beginning of the scene, but quickly pulls himself together. Not only is this moment interesting in terms of speculating about what was going on off-camera, but it's great to watch as RR switches from his own persona to the Adam persona.
Regards,
John
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When Eve goes back in time (played by Marie Wallace), I tend to think the characters there see her as looking like Erica Fitz (like in Quantum Leap).
The DS producers probably thought it may have been confusing for the audience to see Erica Fitz playing Danielle Roget in 1795.
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Welcome, Afan!
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There's a rather touching tale that a fan wrote about Julia shopping for Eve's dress... can't recall now just where I read it.
I remember this. It was called "Julia Goes Shopping" by MsBouchard??? and it was on Alane Sue's page. I think the page is defunct now, but it was a cute story.
Luciaphil
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;D ::)I am glad I am not the only one who thought what I thought. I thought Leona Eldridge was played by a man. There is something so strange about her scenes. I still can't put my finger on it.Any other ideas? ::)
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;D ::)I am glad I am not the only one who thought what I thought. I thought Leona Eldridge was played by a man. There is something so strange about her scenes. I still can't put my finger on it.Any other ideas? ::)
Fitz's intonation is very . . . off . . . I guess is the right word. Her voice itself is unusual. I'm tempted to venture that she had some chemical help, but who knows, with that dialogue and the probable non-direction, maybe it's all the result of a not-very-good actress' decision as to how to play the part.
According to IMDB she would have been about 26 in 1968, but she plays much older. The makeup and hair perhaps?
I was tooling around on Google and aside from the DS references, there is someone out there with the name of Erica Fitz Mears who seems to be on boards and chi-chi sorts of charities and things. I wonder if this is the same person . . .
Luciaphil
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It cracked me up when Stokes said that she committed every crime, I mean come on "every" crime?!?
Her fashion sense is enough of a crime! And it truly proves that she is evil! Evil I say!
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there is someone out there with the name of Erica Fitz Mears
Luciaphil
did ya put that name in the anagram-izer?
Ringo
[finally thought of who gets my vote: Nancy Reagan]
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I always found it funny when Professor Stokes described Danielle Roget as the woman who had "committed every crime". So I wonder if that included things such as--
tax fraud, jaywalking, imprisoning a man in his own home, accusing a man of being a werewolf (which is a crime according to Quentin in 1897), fishing for whales on sunday, breastfed in public, got a fish drunk, or wore patent leather shoes in public (the last four are all illegal in Ohio).
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If Nicky Blair really wanted the most evil woman in the world for Eve's life force, then why didn't he get Martha Stewart?
Anya explains it all in dialogue from a season 6 Buffy episode, "Wrecked":
ANYA: Martha Stewart isn't a demon! She's a witch...
XANDER: Really?
ANYA: Of course. Nobody can do that much decoupage without calling on the powers of darkness...
Anya is the best!!! [easter_evil] And yes we have chatted several times about Erica's original gender! She quite possibly was a full time Transexual!