DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Polls Archive => Topic started by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 01, 2005, 08:47:54 PM
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Thanks for supporting the first four polls, and here's another batch. [santa_smiley]
After voting, please feel free to explain why you voted the way you did, or wait until after the poll expires on 01/18/05 to do so. [santa_wink]
And again, have fun!
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I wanted to vote for William H. Loomis from 1970PT (in addition to the hilarious Carl and the sympathetic Willie) but I didn't see him listed. ???
ProfStokes
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I wanted to vote for William H. Loomis from 1970PT ... but I didn't see him listed. ???
OHMYGOD! How could I forget our dear friend Hollingshead?! He's one of my favorite JK characterizations too. But he's been added in now and I've zero'd out all the previous votes so that people can vote again and include him if they'd like.
John - please, Please, PLEASE forgive me!!
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Oh, good, thanx for zeroing out the previous votes, I wanted to vote for him as well.
pole loving dom [santa_azn]
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I also love the polls and voting for my favorites [santa_grin] I liked all of JK's roles... although I did like Carl, Willie and Kendrick, in that order as favorites. Carl Collins was such a fun loving soul, and when he laughed I laughed right along with him... I loved Carl's funny bone. [santa_cheesy] [santa_cheesy] and his 'FIB' pistol.
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John Karlen as Willie was one the greatest memorable soap characters of all time IMO. JK as Willie just had a special quality. I thought Carl was hilarious. [santa_cool]
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pole loving dom [santa_azn]
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Snigger...cough...Sorry - Oh, I'm a sucker for a good pun... [santa_cheesy] [santa_kiss]
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I managed to narrow it down to three. But, let's face it; I'd adore him in any role - then or now! [santa_thumb]
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I found this the hardest one to pick. I would probably change my vote and then want to change it again. [santa_cheesy]
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I voted for Willie, Carl, and Desmond. They were different from each other in so many ways - Willie was so sympathetic and on edge at all times, Carl was a great practical joker, and Desmond was much stronger than both of them. I also liked Willie H. Loomis and Kendrick Young quite a bit.
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John Karlen was great in all his roles - it's no surprise he won an Emmy award for "Cagney And Lacey." And when Tyne (Lacey) Daly won a recent Emmy award (her 100th?!), she pointed out JK as her date during her acceptance speech - the cameras flashed to him sitting in the audience.
JK never phoned it in - he was always exciting to watch on DS.
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i too loved him in all his roles but Willie getting "the willies" was the best [santa_grin]
jennifer
a big HARvey fan too LOL!
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I only voted for Willie Loomis. It was hard for me to watch JK as Kendrick (something) in the Bramwell story because he was so contained and borrring as Willie Loomis was so brilliantly played. What a seedy, conflicted, neurotic, pathetic, lethal character he was and Mr. Karlen's tremendous vitality, humour and talent made him unique.
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John Karlen truly was superb in all the roles he took on within DS. But I've gotta say, Willie Loomis has to be my favorite. I think Carl would be a close second, though, but Willie I'll always hold close to my heart. I always felt so sorry for him. He felt irrevocable sorrow for having let loose on Collinsport and its people a plague they could never have imagined in their worst nightmares. No wonder he goes crazy for a while... No, wait. I take that back. He might have gotten out of Wyndcliffe, but I don't think his mind ever fully recovered. Poor guy. ~DJ
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JK is Willie Loomis. I feel so sorry for him. [help]
Carl, well Carl was the "funster" of the Collin's. [wavey]
Desmond was the stronger of them. I liked Desmond. [hello]
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I picked Willie, Carl and William H. Loomis (though it was a tough call between him and Desmond).
Willie is a classic. He completely enhanced the early Barnabas episodes and added a so much to them as the former creep, now-jittery and humbled vampire's servant. Incredible performance. His post-1967 appearances were also great. His nasty taunting of Adam was particularly memorable. He seemed to have gotten some of his heelish qualities back once he was free of Barnabas' powers.
Carl. I just love Carl. The guy is the ultimate practical joker with the mind of a ten year-old. What a nut! When he brought in his love Pansy I cracked up. Those two were meant for each other! [spoiler]I was actually pretty mad when Barnabas killed off Carl. Yeah he was obnoxious but he was kind of sweet in a nutty way, and it was so sad how he longed for Pansy after she died. When Pansy possessed Charity, sadly, Carl was dead. The poor lil' guy.[/spoiler]
Willaim H. Loomis was my next choice but it was a tie with Desmond. Both characters were very good. What a desperate character William was, and played to perfection by Karlen. Even though he was a writer, he really wasn't too bright to try keeping a friggin' VAMPIRE in his house just so he could get a bestseller out of it. So whaddaya think? Did that storyline influence Anne Rice to write "Interview With The Vampire" or what? ;) (Actually that might not be too far fetched. I hear she's a DS fan). Desmond was an excellent character as well. Dignified and strong - very different from John Karlen's previous characters.
PennyDreadful
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I've always thought Ann Rice got her inspiration from that storyline. And you're right, she IS a DS fan. What year was IWTV written, anyway?
I also heard Ann Rice got a lot of her inspiration from personal experiences. I think that mainly pertained to Claudia, though.
And how do you guys DO that spoiler text thing? I'm new here so I'm almost afraid to reveal too much without knowing how to do that. ~DJ
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how do you guys DO that spoiler text thing? I'm new here so I'm almost afraid to reveal too much without knowing how to do that. ~DJ
Enclose your text in these tags: [spoiler]TEXT[/spoiler]
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Thanks for fixing my post. I wasn't sure how to do the spoiler text either. Now I do!
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[spoiler]testing 1-2-3[/spoiler]
Sweet. Where did you find that code? ~DJ
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A button was once available to automatically insert the spoiler tags into posts. But it's something that I came up and I haven't had the chance to add it to the new system yet. :( So, for the moment, it's an "undocumented" code...
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You came up with it, MB? Very inventive. ~DJ
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Willie Loomis....(big surprise to long-time forum members... ;) )..... for reasons of my own.
William H. Loomis....because the role allowed Karlen to portray a completely different character....one who's demons were internal rather than external.
Carl Collins.....because it gave Karlen free reign to show us his exquisite sense of comedic abandon.
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1970PT is one of my favorite DS storylines and Karlen's William H. Loomis is definitely one of my favorite characters in it, so I'm thrilled to see him place third.
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Yeah, he definitely did a good job as WHL. I was just watching some of that storyline the other day... ~DJ
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Rats, missed this poll. I think John Karlen was wonderful as Willie and all his characters just have the flair of intensity. I heard an interview on one of the DVD and he said his favorite character was Willie. I believe he just forgot the names of all the others. LOL That reminds me, I wrote the transcript of that interview onto a text file. I'll post it under a new thread.
I have to say though. I recently saw the earlier episodes of Willie before the influence of Barnabas. Watching the first Willie [James Hall] made me really dislike that character. JH, although not Willie in fans' eyes, did an okay job depicting a scumbag. JK's version created sympathy for a man who was basically scum. Here is a collage of the 1st Willie many fans may not have seen. I know I didn't see JH until just a few months ago.
(http://home.comcast.net/~dsart21st/WillieArrives199.jpg)
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I saw James Hall as Willie, he played him much more creepy. I don't know if he would have been able to give the character the same transformation that John Karlen did. JK played Willie so well, I'm glad that James Hall left for whatever reason.
Misa
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James Hall's Willie was more of a registered sex offender type. He was the kind of guy who when he walks into a store--the security guards and more experienced clerks all sit up and take notice.
I didn't care for Hall, but that had more to do with the actor's line flubbing and apparent belief that he was playing in a rough trade version of Death of a Salesman as witness his repeated references to "Willy Loman."
Karlen wasn't quite so count-the-silver/keep-the-mace-handy scary. but at the same time I think he gave a much more nuanced performance.
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James Hall's Willie was more of a registered sex offender type.
lolololololololLOL! too true!!
(can you explain about the Willie Loman reference?)
Patti
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Willy Loman is the main character in Arthur Miller's play "Death of a Salesman" It's considered to be one of the most significant characters in American playwriting.
Perhaps James Hall was engaging in wishful thinking about his future prospects on the stage... ;)
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And initially Willie's dialogie had him referring to himself in the third person (e.g. "Willie Loomis doesn't like it there." Which was fine until James Hall started messing it up and saying things like "Nobody pushes Willy Loman around" and "Willy Loman likes her."
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Given what I had heard, I was surprised at how much I enjoyed James Hall's performance in his 4 or 5 episodes when I screened them last year. Despite his difficulties with the line readings, I thought he had an interesting take on Willie. Very creepy--just watching him in his scenes with Vicki practically had me biting my nails (not something one is wont to do under ordinary circumstances).
I dont't think there's any question as to who is the more skilled thespian of the two. Karlen obviously stands head and shoulders above his predecessor. But I also don't think it diminishes Karlen's achievement in the slightest to note that Hall did a better job with the role than common fan wisdom would state.
Someone asked one of the surviving cast members in NYC last year while Hall was replaced, and she answered that he had a drinking problem and was told he would have to go "but in a nice way." (laughter from both the stage and the audience)
G.
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And initially Willie's dialogie had him referring to himself in the third person (e.g. "Willie Loomis doesn't like it there." Which was fine until James Hall started messing it up and saying things like "Nobody pushes Willy Loman around" and "Willy Loman likes her."
I can't believe I never noticed that before (I haven't seen the oldies in....well, when they were on at night...remember...1/2 hour a.m., 1/2 hour p.m).
Patti