DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '06 I => Topic started by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 20, 2006, 01:05:22 AM
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While watching Ep #1192 for today's slideshow:
[spoiler]1971: Ep #1192 - Samantha and 'Gerard' dig up Joanna's coffin and discover it is empty.[/spoiler]
it struck me: [spoiler]Other than PT Angelique's coffin,[/spoiler]was a coffin ever disinterred on DS that wasn't empty? It's enough to make one wonder why anyone even bothered to spring for the coffin when it was practically a foregone conclusion that it was simply going to remain empty for eternity while its former occupant went about enjoying his/her undead life? [lghy]
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[spoiler]Paul Stoddard, 1970. He didn't look too upset though.[/spoiler]
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Man, I thought the same thing when I looked at today's screens--it even reminded me of Jeff Clark (yuck!) exhuming Peter Bradford's coffin in 1968. [spoiler]But wait...that goofy smiley face was in Paul Stoddard's coffin when Jeb dug it up, right?[/spoiler]
Edit: Magnus, you beat me to it!
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Remember folks - an empty coffin means you don't have to pay an actor to occupy it! Score another point for the DCP budget department! Seriously,
[spoiler]Even Paul Stoddard's coffin was really empty - They used a still of Dennis Patrick, which looked like it was taken at the moment of a maniacal nervous breakdown! ;D I'm sure as Patrick was handed his severence pay, one of TPTB casually said, "oh, by the way Dennis, we need one more thing ...." Snap! >:D[/spoiler]
Petofi
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I was thinking about this very fact just the other day. Coffins on DS were almost always empty with very few exceptions! Unfortunately for Mr. Loomis, he discovered DS' most famous "occupied" coffin. ;)
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They used a still of Dennis Patrick, which looked like it was taken at the moment of a maniacal nervous breakdown! ;D I'm sure as Patrick was handed his severence pay, one of TPTB casually said, "oh, by the way Dennis, we need one more thing ...." Snap! >:D[/spoiler]
ROTF!!! [laughing4] [stfl]
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That's right - [spoiler]when Jeb and Megan opened Paul's coffin, he was grinning at them.[/spoiler]How quickly I foget. [6184] But then, as I said the other day, I do try to recall as little as possible about the Cheap Insufferable Pig's scenes. [b003]
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so true!
i just watched an episode during the leviathan storyline where julia casually disinterred yet another coffin like it was all in a day's work...and of course it was empty!
where is collinsport law enforcement when all of this is taking place?or at the very least that old caretaker?
isn't this illegal?and laborious?and time consuming?
everyone acts like it's nothing to just dig up graves on a whim. ::)
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I'd be really curious to know if Jim Morrison IS dead! That's the only coffin I'd be tempted to open but probably would not if given the chance.
On DS though, I guess the prevelance of vampires and assortment of undead characters in combination with very accessible coffins in secluded Collinwood vaults and private graveyards, makes opening coffins easier than the norm. And people certainly took advantage of it.
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Stefan..I've been there...very small grave site...He certainly wasn't buried like a Collins..-Robert
(http://myspace-276.vo.llnwd.net/00415/67/21/415521276_l.jpg)
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THAT'S Jim Morrison's grave site? Graffitti?!! What appalling disrespect!!
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Stefan..I've been there...very small grave site...He certainly wasn't buried like a Collins.
I heard about the graffitti. I wonder what killed him? Drug overdose of heroine injected by his girlfriend? A heart problem he didn't know about? I've been reading about Morrison and apparently he spoke often of forging his death and moving to Africa. The whole thing is just too wierd ???
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The only other coffin I can think of that wasn't empty was [spoiler]the one Barnabas and Chris dug up in the woods that Beth's ghost pointed them to, which held the earthy remains of Quentin's son & the pentagram.[/spoiler]
Considering the amount of people actually buried on the Collins' property I wouldn't ever want to do any gardening, dig a hole to plant a seed and AHHHHHH! [pyth]
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No one should ever be surprised at an empty coffin at Collinwood: they never buried anyone more than 10 inches deep......what's THAT to a vengeful corpse? ::)
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so true!
i just watched an episode during the leviathan storyline where julia casually disinterred yet another coffin like it was all in a day's work...and of course it was empty!
where is collinsport law enforcement when all of this is taking place?or at the very least that old caretaker?
isn't this illegal?and laborious?and time consuming?
everyone acts like it's nothing to just dig up graves on a whim. ::)
LOL!! *So* true! They dig up coffins in Collinsport like it was as natural as going to the supermarket! ;)
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These empty coffins might be empty because someone stole the body for a mad scientist (ala Dr. Lang). I always wondered why [spoiler]Joanna's coffin was empty. How did she return to life? They never explain this.[/spoiler]
Misa
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I always wondered why [spoiler]Joanna's coffin was empty. How did she return to life? They never explain this.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]I think Joanna was a ghost. Before she caused Samantha's death, she said, "now you shall see me as my spirit really looks." Like Leona Eltridge and Sarah Collins, she was able to appear human for a time but was not alive.[/spoiler]
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Coterie... is that you? You look like a young Frid/Barnabas!
No one should ever be surprised at an empty coffin at Collinwood: they never buried anyone more than 10 inches deep......what's THAT to a vengeful corpse? ::)
The coffins themselves were pretty shallow. All the time BC was complaining about [spoiler]Petofi keeping him prisoner,[/spoiler]he must have been concerned mostly with the fact that, had the lid actually been closed, it would've smooshed his face something bad. The opened coffin only went up to his shoulder, or neck, or ear, or something. I don't remember. In any case, discomfort for Barney.
Buzz... like going to the grocery store was at all natural for the Collinses?!
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Frid used to like to smoke in his coffin between scenes. Apparently, the original coffin he used, and continued to use throughout much of the show, was several inches too short for him! In some scenes where he is shown in the coffin, his legs are as apart as he can get them to make up the difference. Here's an example from episode #417 during the 1795 storyline where:
[spoiler]Ben has been asked by Barnabas to "end his curse" by driving a stake through his heart. Fortunately for us, if not for Barnabas, he is about to be interrupted by the ghost of The Head of Angelique! Yes, she appears to Ben as a disembodied head, foreshadowing Judah Zachary's appearance much later! She gets to laugh a lot, though.[/spoiler]
I remember reading a story from someone on the show, where Frid, during the coundown to taping, actually sat up in his coffin and complained about the size of his coffin. Only on Dark Shadows! ;D
Petofi
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I remember reading a story from someone on the show, where Frid, during the coundown to taping, actually sat up in his coffin and complained about the size of his coffin. Only on Dark Shadows! ;D
Yes, I read an article/interview w/Grayson where she said he did that, as a joke, and she said she just busted out laughing for 5 minutes and delayed the start of taping!! :D
Another take on this story, although I can't confirm it's accuracy because the person that told it to me turned out to be a little shady, but it's funny anyway so I'll share it, was that for the remainder of that taping, Grayson and Jonathan avoided, as much as possible, making eye contact because they were afraid they'd both crack up on camera. ;D
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One thing that always concerned me about the coffins featured on DS is just how shallow they are! I imaging once the lid was closed the interior cieling would be touching the actor's nose!
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Does the Barnabas Doppelganger in 1897 count as empty or filled?
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Somebody mentioned Judah Zachary in passing -
[spoiler]Didn't Leticia help his head find the coffin that held his body?[/spoiler]
that was a time when a coffin wasn't empty. Of course it didn't get used much after that event.
However, [spoiler]when Liz "died" as a result of Cassandra's curse, didn't Carolyn have a prophetic dream that her mother was still alive, prompting the gang to disinter Liz's coffin from the mausoleum? And she was in it when they opened it, wasn't she?[/spoiler]
But yeah, it seems like buying a coffin was for the most part a big waste of money in Collinsport. Or at best, there was only a 50/50 chance it would actually be needed for the long haul.
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Technically, although Judah's coffin wasn't empty, it wasn't completely full, either, was it? ;D
Here's two examples of empty coffins; Peter Bradford's and, at least at night, Tom Jennings;
Petofi (who has a nice, warm, if undersized, coffin for a Mr. Collins) 8)
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However, [spoiler]when Liz "died" as a result of Cassandra's curse, didn't Carolyn have a prophetic dream that her mother was still alive, prompting the gang to disinter Liz's coffin from the mausoleum? And she was in it when they opened it, wasn't she?[/spoiler]
[spoiler]Carolyn was being chased by Chris the werewolf and ended up back in her mother's tomb, Liz, in her cursed death state knew she had to help save Carolyn and pushed a button specifically placed in her coffin that would cause bells to ring so the others would know she had been buried alive. Barnabas and Julia came to the rescue, Liz was still "dead" in her coffin (though they didn't show her) and she revived by the end of the episode (I believe).[/spoiler]
Click the following link to see the grave of Timothy Clark Smith, a Vermont native so terrified of being buried alive that he had a concrete shaft with a glass top placed over his grave so that if he was buried alive he could call for help with a bell and then see it actually coming.
http://www.vermonter.com/evergreen.asp
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We go to Vermont often. I can't wait to go to that cemetery this summer. Something way out of the ordinary to do. My kids will love it. :o Thanks for the info, arashi.
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Click the following link to see the grave of Timothy Clark Smith, a Vermont native so terrified of being buried alive that he had a concrete shaft with a glass top placed over his grave so that if he was buried alive he could call for help with a bell and then see it actually coming.
"Be there with bells on!" heheh
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Barnabas' coffin is shallow, but the top has room to cover him-- It isn't flat but concave. Tom Jennings' coffin sure looks cheap. Don't you think that Barnabas would get a more comfortable trunk, that didn't look like a coffin, to spend his morning hours in? And how about a lock, one that locks from the inside?
Misa
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Barnabas' coffin is shallow, but the top has room to cover him-- It isn't flat but concave.
If the lid makes the coffin roomier, it would be convex. ;)
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Barnabas' coffin is shallow, but the top has room to cover him-- It isn't flat but concave.
If the lid makes the coffin roomier, it would be convex. ;)
Yes. I knew I had the wrong word, but I was being too lazy to look it up. I figured that it would be clear enough to understand what I meant. Thank you for giving the right word, as this will make it much clearer.
Misa ;D
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I can't seem to find the right eps to confirm this on my tapes. but didn't Tom Jennings have two coffins? I seem to remember there was cheap old-fashioned one (mentioned above) that he had early on; but didn't he have a much more modern 'casket-style' resting place later on, when Barnabas finally destroyed him?
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I remeber the ornate one being in the crypt during his first incarnation. I think it was a special rental, as I've seen pictures in Wyndecliffe Watch of it being delivered to the studio. I also remember that when he first used it, it didn't have hinges, so his slid the lid open. Later, when Barnabas [spoiler]stakes him in the crypt, the hinges are there![/spoiler]
Even later on, when [spoiler]Nicholas brings Tom back from the dead, he resides in the cheaper coffin in the basement of Mr. Blair's house by the sea.[/spoiler]
Petofi
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Tom actually had three coffins (lucky him :D). Let's not forget the one [spoiler]Barnabas and Willie dug up only to discover Tom had already risen as a vampire. Hence another in the long line of empty coffins. ;)[/spoiler]
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Tom actually had three coffins (lucky him :D). Let's not forget the one [spoiler]Barnabas and Willie dug up only to discover Tom had already risen as a vampire. Hence another in the long line of empty coffins. ;)[/spoiler]
Ha! Now can we figure out who had the MOST coffins, empty or full, on DS?? ;D You're right, of course, MB, I had forgotten the one that was [spoiler]actually officially buried![/spoiler]
Petofi