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she's wrong--she's remembering something in the past--but I'm a totally changed man now--you must remember that--and she cannot accept it! The thought didn't even occur to me until I was on my way back here, says Daphne. Furious, seemingly talking to himself, Bramwell wonders, how dare Catherine try to interfere with our lives--she chose how to live hers--now let her live it and let us alone! Oh, Bramwell, says Daphne, why is there so much emotion in your voice when you speak of her? There are many kinds of emotions, says Bramwell, and anger is one of them, and I've never been one to hide my anger--you will have to learn that. I have learned it, says Daphne, stepping back from the intensity of his emotions, and you still haven't said the words I want to hear. I love you--very much, he says (and gets a zero on the love meter for his lack of sincerity). No, says Daphne, I know you better than you think, and I know you didn't mean what you said. She gazes at him regretfully.
Setting up the next scene:
100 INT - CARD ROOM - NIGHT 100
It is about 3 a.m. Quentin sits staring at his
coffee. Tracy watches him nervously. He now knows
what those other dreams were about - Angelique -
however he still considers her part of a dream.
He does not remember what happened during the fight.
QUENTIN
There isn't any explanation.
None at all.
TRACY
(to him)
Darling, we don't need talk
about it anymore.
And that's when today's first quote -Page 42/Scene 100 - Quentin: 'I don't remember anything until I saw Gerard. I didn't recognize him. He shouldn't have been in the house.'
- comes up, followed by today's second quote -Page 42/Scene 100 - Tracy: 'He simply thought he saw a light.'
-coming up.
And when it comes to what's different with the dialogue, Quentin's "There isn't any explanation. None at all" is dropped in the film - what Tracy actually says to begin the scene is "Darling, we don't need to talk about it anymore" (and I find it odd that the script would specify "to him" because who else would Tracy be saying that to?) - but then Quentin actually says "The first thing I remember is Gerard but I didn't recognize him. What was he doing in the house, anyway?"
And whereas they're not a part of this slideshow, Quentin's and Tracy's first lines were a part of the original Movies Quotes Slideshow:
NoDS: Scene #100 - Quentin: 'There isn't any explanation.
None at all.'
NoDS: Scene #100 - Tracy: 'Darling, we don't need to talk
about it anymore.'
And when it comes to what's different with the descriptions and directions, while Quentin is apparently staring at his coffee (the scene is shot so far away - from two rooms away and through three doorways - that it's hard to discern what he's looking down at), we do see/hear Tracy take a sip of her coffee and put the cup down on its saucer before she tells Quentin they don't have to continue to talk about what happened - and Tracy reaches over to touch Quentin's arm before she tells him that Gerard's explanation is that he simply thought he saw a light (yeah, right!).
Continuing Scene 100, or rather Scene 100B because DC's script has a notation that Scene 100B begins after Tracy tells Quentin that Gerard simply thought he saw a light. And the first thing to come up after that is today's first quote -Page 42/Scene 100B - Quentin: 'And what was I about to do to you?'
- followed in DC's script by:
He gets up. x to window
And that's when today's second quote -Page 42/Scene 100B - Tracy: 'You stopped when you realized what you were doing.'
- comes up.
And as for what's different with the dialogue, for a change, nothing is different because both Quentin's and Tracy's lines are delivered exactly as written.
But as for what's different with the descriptions and directions, no doubt DC considered this next part of the scene to be 100B because the camera switches from the long shot of yesterday's portion of the scene to a 2 shot, as can be seen -
- in today's first capture - and Quentin actually reaches out to hold Tracy's hand which, as we may recall from the previous post, is on his arm - and, unlike what the script says and DC's notation to it, Quentin doesn't actually get up and cross to the window after he delivers his line, and that can be easily seen in today's second capture -
- because he's obviously still sitting at the table with Tracy while she reassures him. And speaking of Tracy, there another notation in DC's script that indicates that the camera was supposed to stay on her as Quentin crosses out of frame and she delivers her line, but the above capture also shows that obviously things don't play that way either.
when she answers her door, finds Jeremiah there. He swears he didn't want to be alone with her, but her flirtatious manner assures him she's very glad he stopped by. He's angry with himself, but she insists their matching brands are the result of Fate, and they should stop hiding what they feel for each other. She caresses him, and even though he shakes her and reminds her, roughly, that she loves Barnabas, they end up in a passionate clinch. She tries the rosewater on his hand, to no avail, and he tells her Naomi dreamed of this "brand for lovers." Their hands touch, they kiss again.He walks away, tells her that when he's alone in his room, he doesn't feel this fever for her; then returns to her side and kisses her face. Let everyone in the house know, insists Josette. we must be together! Jeremiah succumbs, then cries out this can't be--he is leaving Collinsport, now, tonight. He races from the room. Josette is upset and confused.
MB, I'm wondering if maybe it's the angle on the henchman's face and the way the light hits the blood that makes it more effective. It looks like it could possibly be the same makeup technique as on Gabriel, but the angle and lighting on Gabriel make it much less effective.
Is there anyone active here who has seen the 129-minute cut? (Have you, MB?) I wonder if some shots originally were intended to last a bit longer. There are certainly some very rough edits in the version we have currently. And they definitely shortened/eliminated some shots to de-emphasize gore and sex between the (97-minute?) "pre-rated" or "R-rated" version and the 95-minute official release version. (I saw the 97-minute version twice on the very first day of release. Quentin and Angelique's kisses, and Gerard's moves on Tracy, were certainly eyebrow-raising, at least for an impressionable 14-year-old. When I saw the movie again a fews years later on TV, it seemed quite a bit tamer--but that could well have been due to CBS' standards and practices department. But then the VHS also seemed tamer than my memory of the initial release, and later on I learned about the apparent mistaken release of a non-PG version in Aug. 1971--which I had been lucky enough to catch!!)
MB, I'm wondering if maybe it's the angle on the henchman's face and the way the light hits the blood that makes it more effective. It looks like it could possibly be the same makeup technique as on Gabriel, but the angle and lighting on Gabriel make it much less effective.
I finally found the time to do what I wanted to do, which was to examine the henchman's sequence using some Linux software that can break down video files into their individual frames. And having done that now it would seem as if the makeup for the henchman is different from the makeup for Gabriel. When it comes to the henchman, in addition to the blood, his makeup has little bits applied to his skin, apparently put there to approximate the skin that was torn by Angelique's nails (and interestingly enough, the same sort of makeup technique seems to have been used for Gerard's cheek wounds). But Gabriel's cheek wounds don't seem to have those bits - or if they do, they're covered up by so much "blood" as to be indiscernible. Unfortunately, we don't get to see a side view of Gabriel's wounded cheek either before or after we see it full on, so if there are bits applied, we can't check to see if they stick up from his skin.QuoteIs there anyone active here who has seen the 129-minute cut? (Have you, MB?)
I've only seen the presentations that Darren Gross has done at the Fests. Though during the presentation that he did in '04, he showed practically all of the recovered footage, and that was a real thrill to see.QuoteI wonder if some shots originally were intended to last a bit longer. There are certainly some very rough edits in the version we have currently. And they definitely shortened/eliminated some shots to de-emphasize gore and sex between the (97-minute?) "pre-rated" or "R-rated" version and the 95-minute official release version. (I saw the 97-minute version twice on the very first day of release. Quentin and Angelique's kisses, and Gerard's moves on Tracy, were certainly eyebrow-raising, at least for an impressionable 14-year-old.
Yes, the 97 minute version is much more graphic than the version we currently have. The Charles/Angelique tower make out scene, the Quentin/Tracy bedroom molestation scene, and the Gerard/Tracy truck molestation scene are more sexually graphic - and the horse trampling of Trask and the aftermath of Gerard's shooting are much more bloody. But honestly at this point I don't recall if Darren showed the longer versions of those scenes or if he simply showed the scenes that were completely cut.QuoteWhen I saw the movie again a fews years later on TV, it seemed quite a bit tamer--but that could well have been due to CBS' standards and practices department. But then the VHS also seemed tamer than my memory of the initial release, and later on I learned about the apparent mistaken release of a non-PG version in Aug. 1971--which I had been lucky enough to catch!!)
Because of its graphic, bloody, and violent nature, I wasn't surprised that a lot of the stuff that I'd remembered from seeing the 97 minute version wasn't shown on TV, not even on TBS - but I was shocked when it didn't show up in the VHS and the VHS appeared to be exactly like the TBS edit. I was even more shocked when I wrote Marcy Robin to ask if she knew why they didn't use the version of the film that I remembered for the VHS but appeared to use the TBS version and she had no idea what I was talking about. And after I explained to her about the stuff that was missing, she was even more confused because she'd never seen what I was claiming had been in the film. It wasn't until a while later that it was uncovered that the 97 minute version had been mistakenly released in some areas of the country.