DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '08 I => Topic started by: GooberCollins on June 27, 2008, 12:52:48 AM
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[spoiler]Was it really necessary? It seemed to me that he came, Julia and Barnabas tucked him away somewhere, the storyline ended, and he came back with them (with a bit that was potentially rather insulting to Thayer David, as the writers had Stokes check the refrigerator first thing after his return to the present!). I was wondering if anyone felt the same way, or if the writers provided some sort of explanation for this in interviews, as it just seemed odd that they would do that.[/spoiler]
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Oh, you need some discomfort. At least it wasn't Laura and David.
Yes, I suppose they were just winging it, and meant to do more with Stokes but didn't think of anything.
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I was rather disappointed that he didn't play a larger role. [spoiler]Since he appeared in the past just in time for their trial, I had hoped Stokes might be the lawyer who would defend Quentin and Desmond against Lamar and Charles. Instead, the writers gave that job to Barnabas.[/spoiler]
ProfStokes
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That's a good explanation. Maybe DC or someone then decided Barnabas had to be the hero. I like him as the hero here, and would never give up [spoiler]that look on Lamar Trask's face when BC reappears,[/spoiler] but Stokes should have had a role. The whole resolution to 1840 may have demanded that Barnabas not be on the periphery of things, dramatically if not in terms of plot, or so they may have thought. [spoiler]It may have made more sense as a selfless gesture for Barnabas's sake to have Ang save Quentin #1 when Barnabas is the crusading figure fighting for him. It would "reach" Barnabas more.[/spoiler]
Barnabas as the defender probably cements for all time my positive feelings about him. These have taken a bit of a beating, now that I've seen how 1968 really went. I might have gone the other way.
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When Stokes first appeared in 1840, I also thought he would be Quentin & Desmond's lawyer. Thayer David didn't have much to do in 1840 compared to 1796 & 1897. He played THREE roles and must have appeared in less then 20 episodes the whole storyline.
There wasn't really any point to his Mordecai Grimes character either.
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There wasn't really any point to his Mordecai Grimes character either.
Well, aside from the fact that [spoiler]he told Carrie with his dying breaths that Quentin killed him and she was forced to testify against Quentin about it. [ghost_wink][/spoiler]
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Mordecai Grimes--- It was a nice little character part, and it added to the reality of the era they were showing us. Also, it was a relief to see something happening in the world outside Collinwood and the courtroom.
They did seem to know they needed Thayer David, and they'd realize they'd written nothing for him, and would shoehorn him in somehow. PT Ben Jr.??
Speaking of 1840, did I just see the Head of Judah Zachery as an army clown on MASH yesterday? I think I did! He must have lost weight, because his face-to-head proportion was greater.
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I wondered why they had TD as Mordecai when at the same time Prof. Stokes already arrived in the past.
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Speaking of 1840, did I just see the Head of Judah Zachery as an army clown on MASH yesterday? I think I did!
"There's not thing one you can do about it." (to quote his character [ghost_wink])
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If I remember correctly, the timing of Stokes's arrival was such that it could be assumed, though it was not in any way said, that Stokes figured out how to rescue Barnabas from his latest Perils-of-Pauline situation. In fact, it just occurred to me that Stokes might have come to 1840 specifically in order to effect that rescue. I'm imagining that in 1970, during construction of a new building, something interesting was found that worried Stokes, as a result of which he dashed off to the Quentin's staircase. Unfortunately, the dialogue doesn't support this theory. Details, details.
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I too was disappointed that Professor Stokes didn't play a bigger part than he had in 1840. All he did was [spoiler] listen to Julia rehash every little detail of what has been happening in 1840, and explain to Daphne what Parallel Time was all about.
I really wish they had kept Ben Stokes alive a little longer too. I always thought that killing him off so soon was a big mistake. It would have been neat to see him react to Angelique reappearing yet AGAIN. [/spoiler]
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Barnabas as the defender probably cements for all time my positive feelings about him. These have taken a bit of a beating, now that I've seen how 1968 really went. I might have gone the other way.
I admit there are quite a few times where Barnabas still acts like a selfish bastard during his post-vampire life in 1968. But [spoiler]the bedside scene between him and Julia after he has destroyed Tom Jennings was one of the most touching and beautiful moments on the show and certainly Barnabas' humanity shines through in that scene brilliantly, at least IMO.
And just wait until Chris Jennings arrives on the scene....I think you'll recover a bit more of Barnabas' positive qualities.[/spoiler]
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[spoiler]Elliot Stokes may have come to 1840 precisely so that Julia could catch him and the audience up on 1840 so far.
I agree about Ben. Most great things in 1840 slip away far too soon.... Ben, the Head, 1840 Barnabas, Daniel, Gerard-Gabriel sparring....[/spoiler]
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Speaking of 1840, did I just see the Head of Judah Zachery as an army clown on MASH yesterday? I think I did! He must have lost weight, because his face-to-head proportion was greater.
I think it was Phil Collins before Genesis
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[spoiler]Was it really necessary? It seemed to me that he came, Julia and Barnabas tucked him away somewhere, the storyline ended, and he came back with them (with a bit that was potentially rather insulting to Thayer David, as the writers had Stokes check the refrigerator first thing after his return to the present!). I was wondering if anyone felt the same way, or if the writers provided some sort of explanation for this in interviews, as it just seemed odd that they would do that.[/spoiler]
I think the fridge had some hershey bars and hot dogs tucked away somewhere to get Stokes attention at that moment---(not scripted)
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I believe TD had a habit of ad-libbing unecessary trips to the fridge during many different scenes. When he stopped in the middle of defeating Cass/Angelique during the Dream and said he needed a fudgesicle, Dan Curtis actually had to make him do it over.