DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '02 II => Topic started by: Maggie Evans on August 29, 2002, 02:08:17 AM
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Just curious what everyone has to say... :-*
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Probably Josette/Maggie... He's had so many "true loves" that it's hard to choose. Definately not Roxanne or Vicki. Probably not Angelique, because that would mean she wins. I'll stick with Josette.
No wait!!! I'd want him make Dr. Hoffman happy at last and choose her... :D
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Mrs. Johnson? ;D Elizabeth always seemed rather "taken" with him, hmmm. I think Julia deserved better, but since she wants him...I think they WOULD look cute together all kissey face.
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I used to think Julia. But the more I watch DS, the less appropriate that seems. In order for the relationship to succeed, both of them would have to do substantial amounts of therapy (and in Barnabas' case, some growing up emotionally).
None of the SYTs really deserve a relationship that would have permanently objectified them. Also, he's got the attention span of a two-year-old. When they got older and he got bored?
As for Angelique, the problem with her is that she's pathologically jealous and again, he's got the attention span of a two-year-old. Since neither of them seem capable of restricting their domestic problems to themselves, that spells disaster for the greater geographic area.
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What I would have liked to see would have been a relationship with Kitty, Lady Hampshire the hard-nosed, gold-digging Kitty, Lady Hampshire. Not the soppy Josette reincarnation.
She's got all the right qualities:
1. SYT wrappings
2. Intelligence to pretend to be what he's after
3. Shrewdness to keep him from straying too badly
4. Dispassionate enough not to care if he did discreetly.
Okay, not the stuff o'dreams, but it would have been interesting to watch and less dangerous for the citizens of Collinsport.
Luciaphil
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Josette--she was his one true love. Definitely not Angelique. She was too villainous and destructive. He just didn't have any genuine romantic feeling for Julia. :)
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In the very end, I'd say Angelique, especially after her turn-around at the very end. But then, I'd be interested in seeing what a little night music with Auntie Hannah from 1970PT would've been like.
Gerard
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Well, he wouldn't be a classic tragic figure if he got to end up with someone in a "happily ever after" scenario, but if I had to pick, I'd say Dr. Hoffman. That would tie a lot of loose ends up (well, ya never know).
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I have to say Josette because Barnabas was so in love with her and obsessed with her through time, never got over her.
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ANGELIQUE... [rollr] [rollr][rollr][rollr] [rollr][angl2]
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Angelique all the way. She loved him like nobody else could even imagine. And he was ga-ga over one girl after another, and there was Angelique, was waiting for him to say three words. Waiting, hoping, just to say that he loves her too.
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And he finally says it, but guess what Barnabas, shes dead. But at least you finally said it.
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Okay, I just can't picture Barnabas and Julia passionately in love. I can't even picture him kissing her.
Angelique, think of what kind of marriage that would be. "Barnabas I need new living room furniture." "No, dear, what we have is fine." "Well then I guess I'll just have to cast a spell and make you suffer until I get some."
I see Barnabas and Maggie Evans.
Tanis
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:-*In a word---Julia. They are so dependent on each other in almost every eventuality. More important, they are FRIENDS first.
Wishing, Misty
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This seems ideally suited for the new poll feature. . .wonder if i can get it to work??
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With all the problems barnabas has i don't think anyone should be romantically involved with him.Whoever he ends up with has a heap of problems to deal with for the rest of their lives.That said,the only people he could end up with would already have to know about his past and be comfortable with it and the trouble that will occasionally crop up,otherwise he'd be trying to hide his past and possible otherworldly problems that crop up from time to time from his mate and that could strain things.That leaves Angelique(strange choice considering all she's done to him,repentant or not) >:(,or Julia(deserves better to be honest,but would be barns best bet for a truly loving relationship with someone who loves him with all her heart) :-*.Of course he can pick someone else,but he's going to be paranoid about his past being discovered or a new occult enemy appearing out of the blue that could scare his wife and god alone knows what 'ol barny boy will do to protect his interests!
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What I would have liked to see would have been a relationship with Kitty, Lady Hampshire the hard-nosed, gold-digging Kitty, Lady Hampshire. Not the soppy Josette reincarnation.
She's got all the right qualities:
1. SYT wrappings
2. Intelligence to pretend to be what he's after
3. Shrewdness to keep him from straying too badly
4. Dispassionate enough not to care if he did discreetly.
Okay, not the stuff o'dreams, but it would have been interesting to watch and less dangerous for the citizens of Collinsport.
You know, I never thought about her but they way you described her, Luciaphil, that would be a perfect choice.
Josette would have been the trophy wife--nice to look at and for the appropriate occasions; produce the requisite number of sons.
Angelique was too obsessive compulsive--love me or else. She wouldn't have stayed in the background as a quiet mistress building her cache of precious jewelry.
The SYT's like Maggie, Vickie and Roxanne would've soon grown tired of staying home at the Old House while Barnabas watched Willie polish the silver.
Julia may have been the right age for Barnabas but he never had the "hots" for her; he considered her a dear loyal friend, a devoted companion, who would stand by him thru thick and thin. I think Julia would've grown tired playing the waiting game year after year.
Yup, he needed someone who would play the game as he wanted. As for Lady Hampshire, I'm sure she would've had a few liaisons during her marriage to Barnabas just to keep life interesting.
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:) Hm....? Josette's the sweet girl but....I don't think they would last too long. It would've been nice to see the actual romance develop & mature. Barnabas' obsession. She seemed to adore him.
Maggie is just a reminder of the past for Barnabas. A good woman. It's like being with somebody that reminds you of somebody else. Not good.
Angelique truly loved him into some obsessive behavior at any cost. A dangerous relationship. He did love her & admitted it once.
Julia is the dedicated friend with an enormous crush on Barnabas. Unrequitted love but good friends. Better leave it as friends? Friends is always a good place to start.
Tough question & my answer is.....Julia. Maybe it's tough to picture a romance but Julia has proven herself. She's there for Barnabas no matter what the cost. :)
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I see Barnabas and Maggie Evans.
Perhaps he could make up for all the crappy things he did to her in 1967.
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Definitely Angelique. She and Barnabas are both twisted souls who seem to thrive on sadomasochistic relationships. I don't think any other woman could handle Barnabas, and I don't think any other man could handle Angelique. They'd spend the rest of their life together torturing each other, but they would absolutely enjoy every minute of it.
As for Julia, I would love for her to end up living in an elegant mansion, with the (affliction-free) Brothers Jennings on hand to tend to all her needs.
Regards,
John
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Okay, I just can't picture Barnabas and Julia passionately in love. I can't even picture him kissing her.
Here. . its not like they didn't get close enough . . .this is an undoctored screen grab. .lol! :P
(http://home.earthlink.net/~rjjamison/_uimages/kissin2.jpg)
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As for Julia, I would love for her to end up living in an elegant mansion, with the (affliction-free) Brothers Jennings on hand to tend to all her needs.
I can definitely GO with this Option. . .
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As for Julia, I would love for her to end up living in an elegant mansion, with the (affliction-free) Brothers Jennings on hand to tend to all her needs.
Yes, yes, yes! To heck with who Barnabas should end up with. Let Julia have the Jennings brothers! [wink2]
Bette
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ANGELIQUE... [rollr] [rollr][rollr][rollr] [rollr][angl2]
YES VAM!! I AGREE!! :) Definetely ANGELIQUE!
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Fantasy wise, I picture Barn and Laura as a great couple (supernatural or not). I think they'd make a fabulous looking couple (I can just picture them at cocktail parties!). I picture their relationship as being very "Liz & Dick" (Taylor & Burton).
In the context of the show I'd have to go with Josette - mostly for sentimental reasons. Spoiler...
I remember getting extremely emotional (happy in my heart) when it was revealed in one of the parallel times that Barn and Josette had indeed ended up married happily ever after.
Dom
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ClaudeNorth wrote:
as for Julia I wouldl love for her to end up living in an elegant mansion,with the Brother's Jennings on hand
to tend to all her needs
Julia with Barnabas :)
The Brothers Jennings with me! i dont' care about their "afflictions" ;D
jennifer
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;D ;D[shadow=red,left,300]Roxanne![/shadow]They were "bats" of a feather!
Afan
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This seems ideally suited for the new poll feature. . .wonder if i can get it to work??
Originally..that's what I thought I was posting this as..and the choices went like this:
1.Angelique
2.Josette
3.Maggie
4.Julia
5.Buffy Harrington
6.Roxanne Drew
7.Megan Todd
8.Laura
9.Mrs.Johnson
10.a new woman altogether
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ANGELIQUE!!! NO ANDS IF'S OR BUTS!
They undoubtedly have an undead, er, I mean undying passion for one another. Even though Barnie is too dumb to realize it!
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Of all his love interests, Barnabas does seem to ironically have more chemistry with Angelique than any of the others (IMO). They have quite a constant fire going on that I think if the series were going on today might occasionally turn more steamy regardless of their wanting to kill one another.
Still, my old memories of the show insist that I say Josette who I can't quite get out of my head as his "eternal love". It's just that when I think of it now -at a crusty 47 vs. a much less jaded 12 - I can't help thinking "Eternal love? Just WHAT the heck IS that anyway!!!" :P Ahhhh, sweet, dingy youth where have you gone!
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A write-in vote--Willie!
Seriously. . .
This has become a more difficult question for me as I grow older.
Should it be Josette, the long-lost love Barnabas tried so hard to re-create?
The loyal, loving, generous Julia, who stood beside him, a staunch friend to the end?
Angelique, his one legal witch-wife, the woman from his own century, who blackmailed him into marrying her, yet seemed to have a strong tie to him in spite of it all?
Actually, I think if Barnabas had had some serious therapy, the right mate for him would have been Vicki Winters, a modern girl with old-fashioned values and a love of the past. I believe they were well-suited to each other, and once he got over trying to replace Josette and accepted Vicki as a separate soul who loved him, they could have been very happy.
But I still think Willie might have been best of all! ;)
Love, Robin
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Of all his love interests, Barnabas does seem to ironically have more chemistry with Angelique than any of the others (IMO). They have quite a constant fire going on that I think if the series were going on today might occasionally turn more steamy regardless of their wanting to kill one another.
Still, my old memories of the show insist that I say Josette who I can't quite get out of my head as his "eternal love". It's just that when I think of it now -at a crusty 47 vs. a much less jaded 12 - I can't help thinking "Eternal love? Just WHAT the heck IS that anyway!!!" :P Ahhhh, sweet, dingy youth where have you gone!
I have to agree with you on the chemistry thing with Angie. Personally, I think Barn and Josette have ZERO chemistry.
As for eternal love, I think it would have been much easier to keep a semblance of it (during one's lifetime anyway!) IF you were rich in the old days. He doesn't pick up his socks? Who cares, who does? That's the maid or valet's job! Plus, in the case of nobility they usually had separate bedrooms. Less of the familiarity breeds contempt concept. The men and women would only socialize for short periods of time and then part their ways. Which leads me to think the wife less likely to be stuck for hours watching him swill beer, watch tv and fart, all while in his underwear!
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I can not see Barnabas and Julia. Sorry B&J fans. The only way I can see them is in a situation such as the Ropers on Three's Company. Julia would always ask Barnabas to get it on with her, Barnabas would say he had a headache. I can see them as being just friends, in the Jack and Janet of TC way. The only way I can see them kissing is if they went to one of those computer dating places and got hooked up on accident and decided they wouldn't waste the money they spent arranging the date.
I can't really see Barnabas with Maggie - he never seemed really in love with her; more in love with her resemblence to his Josette.
Vicki he seemed to be more in love with then Maggie. She wasn't exactly a look alike, and he seemed to drop the Vicki as my Josette plan after she revealed her feelings about Jeff in Lang's home, but he continued to love her anyway. They shared some of the same interests, such as history.
Angelique . . . I love the character, but I can't see her with Barnabas. She's done so much hurt to Barnabas. I can never see him fully forgiving her for that.
Roxanne Drew . . . Could never really see them as a couple.
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Josette . . . Barnabas was really in love with her, and she adored him. I could see a marriage between the two working out very well, even if they got bored with each other. I mean Barnabas' life before Josette would've been just as boring if it wasn't for the nights in Martinique which were probably pretty exciting for him, lol.
So I could probably see him with Vicki or Josette (if she came back as herself, in some form)
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I believe they were well-suited to each other, and once he got over trying to replace Josette and accepted Vicki as a separate soul who loved him, they could have been very happy.
But I still think Willie might have been best of all! ;)
Can't argue with you about Willie! But the whole problem with Vicky is that she DIDN'T love him..... :'(
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ANGELIQUE!!! NO ANDS IF'S OR BUTS!
They undoubtedly have an undead, er, I mean undying passion for one another. Even though Barnie is too dumb to realize it!
...perhaps he should have Willie...
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A write-in vote--Willie!
Seriously. . .
This has become a more difficult question for me as I grow older.
Should it be Josette, the long-lost love Barnabas tried so hard to re-create?
The loyal, loving, generous Julia, who stood beside him, a staunch friend to the end?
Angelique, his one legal witch-wife, the woman from his own century, who blackmailed him into marrying her, yet seemed to have a strong tie to him in spite of it all?
Actually, I think if Barnabas had had some serious therapy, the right mate for him would have been Vicki Winters, a modern girl with old-fashioned values and a love of the past. I believe they were well-suited to each other, and once he got over trying to replace Josette and accepted Vicki as a separate soul who loved him, they could have been very happy.
But I still think Willie might have been best of all! ;)
Robin..you won't believe this but I was going to include a man in the choices for barnabas... :P
Decided against doing that because I just can't picture him with a man myself..not even willie ;)
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...I still think Willie might have been best of all!
Julia would walk in on them and say, "I knew it! I knew it!"
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Definately Angelique. They have been together for the longest amount of time and are so very close. Angelique always tries to tell herself that she doesn't love him, but she always says later that she still loves him. Like she just said, "I have hated the things you've done, Barnabas, but I could never hate you."
Also, Barnabas had the perfect opportunity to kill her as she came to him as the aging Cassandra, but he wouldn't do it. He even told Julia not to do it. And as she was dying as Cassandra, she began to fall, and he reached down and helped her. I think that in itself shows that deep down Barnabas loves her, but cannot believe it.
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I thought it was a beautiful scene when Barnabas watched Catherine and Bramwell in PT and realized he truly loved her. Then to have him try to tell her and, once again, fate steps in and destroys his chance of happiness. Such a sad scene, although I thought it was a wonderful ending to our final RT story.
They were definately met for each other.
-Lindsey
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I believe Barnabas, would in his heart desire some one who was more his equal in matters of strong will,loyalty, independence and education...
Josette, while fair of face was educated only in how to run a household.
Angelique a mere servant girl knew only of striving to climb the ladder to wealth, her talent was in how to please her master.
I believe only one person could hold all that Barnabas truly desires and that would be.....
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Julia's brain transplanted into Josette's head that was also transplanted onto Angelique's body! :-*
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Julia's brain transplanted into Josette's head that was also transplanted onto Angelique's body! :-*
Wow Sarah Julia can't do it ,Dr Lang is dead ,but Jeffy did watch maybe he doesn't need to go to NY here's a new career!
Can anyone think of other transplants?
Hallie / carrie not accepted !
jennifer
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:D Well, let's see: Vicki went to 1976 with Peter, Maggie went bonkers, Angelique wouldn't do 'cause she was responsible for bumping off Josette & Sarah & Naomi (bseides, she got bumped off in 1840!), Roxanne got staked, Kitty became Josette and died AGAIN, Rachel was shot to death, and the PT Roxanne was separated from Barnabas due to the fire at Collinwood. Above all that, JULIA ALWAYS SURVIVED, AND WAS WITH BARNABAS IN HIS FINAL SCENE!!! If that ain't destiny, I don't know what is! Besides, the relationship had grown by leaps and bounds in four years, and consider the depth of his feelings for her ANYTIME she was in danger, especially 1968 and 1995!! With all of the above out of the picture in 1971, the field was finally clear for Julia as Barnabas' love interest. Not that she couldn't fend off the competition- far from it, she always had the best advantage: she knew him better than anyone, and that made Angelique VERY jealous of her. In a crisis, he'd turn to Julia. In good times, she'd be welcome at his side. Had the show continued, there is no doubt that the long-overdue romance between Barnabas & Julia would finally take center stage. Their relationship on DS is very much like of three other legendary TV pairs who didn't necessarily "get it on" onscreen, but you felt the passion all the same: Matt Dillon & Kitty Russell from "Gunsmoke" , John Steed & Emma Peel from "The Avengers", and Perry Mason & Della Street!!! And from what we know now (via Sam Hall's TV Guide article and interviews Grayson Hall gave after DS) it's safe to say that the doctor & the vampire were indeed going to wind up together!! Let's face it- the chemistry between those two kept the show afloat, and romance was the next step!
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I am surprised at how many chose Angelique.I thought about that scenario and even though I do think they could make a go of it for awhile..I just can't see Angelique behaving herself long enough to make it last..she's too jealous.
I just can't forget how happy Barnabas was with Josette..I can remember the first time I saw him in that time period on the show..and I thought how cool it was to see him sooooooo happy and alive..no matter who he was with after her..he just didn't seem to be as happy.So I think I have to go with Josette.....Although she would have had to do some time traveling and be bought back to life :P..She's the one I would have like to see him wind up with in the end ..
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I am adding my own little footnote here..but I think Barnabas & Roxanne..just were an awful couple together..I just could never see the magic there.Total mismatch.. They don't look right together to me..:-/
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In a crisis, he'd turn to Julia.
Spoiler......
Let's give some credit where it is due. Maybe you forget that it was Angelique who lifted the curse for him in 1840 to deal with Judah Zachery. Barnabas also called upon Angelique to help save Nora and Jamison Collins from their mother, Laura, in 1897. In the end, she risked everything to help Barnabas save Desmond and Quentin. There were other times...It wasn't always Julia.
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Spoiler......
Let's give some credit where it is due. Maybe you forget that it was Angelique who lifted the curse for him in 1840 to deal with Judah Zachery. Barnabas also called upon Angelique to help save Nora and Jamison Collins from their mother, Laura, in 1897. In the end, she risked everything to help Barnabas save Desmond and Quentin. There were other times...It wasn't always Julia.
Who put the curse on Barnabas to begin with? Who controlled Rachel essentially because she "was in the way"? Who blackmailed Barnabas by physically threatening various tangential members of the household? Who made his cousin rise as a zombie? Who really had no problems whatsover hurting small children when it suited her purposes?
At best, the much-touted 1840 conversion to the good guys was essentially a last effort at ratings and a way to end the present time storyline. It was lousy writing that made no sense in terms of the characters.
Luciaphil
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:D Well, let's see: Vicki went to 1976 with Peter, Maggie went bonkers, Angelique wouldn't do 'cause she was responsible for bumping off Josette & Sarah & Naomi (bseides, she got bumped off in 1840!), Roxanne got staked, Kitty became Josette and died AGAIN, Rachel was shot to death, and the PT Roxanne was separated from Barnabas due to the fire at Collinwood. Above all that, JULIA ALWAYS SURVIVED, AND WAS WITH BARNABAS IN HIS FINAL SCENE!!! If that ain't destiny, I don't know what is!
I have to laugh. I was reading your post and enjoying it hugely, and was positive I knew where it was going--essentially that Barnabas should just give up the pursuit of love as a lost cause and get a cat or a bird or something and stay home, and then you kept going 8)
Luciaphil
(who still enjoyed your post :D)
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At best, the much-touted 1840 conversion to the good guys was essentially a last effort at ratings and a way to end the present time storyline. It was lousy writing that made no sense in terms of the characters.
Saving the children was in the 1897 storyline...It just showed that the character was complex like Joshua Collins and a few others...
Hmmm..Just wondering if lethal injections, hypnotizing individuals for non-medical purposes, and leasurely handing out sedatives can be considered good crisis solutions.
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Who put the curse on Barnabas to begin with? Who controlled Rachel essentially because she "was in the way"? Who blackmailed Barnabas by physically threatening various tangential members of the household? Who made his cousin rise as a zombie? Who really had no problems whatsover hurting small children when it suited her purposes?
Luciaphil
Lucia. . i agree with you completely. . .Barnabas would turn to Angelique when 1) Julia was missing or 2) Julia was at a loss as what to do. . . Angie was his 2nd choice in those instances I believe. . well, except 1897 when Julia wasn't even THERE. . .
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Hmmm..Just wondering if lethal injections, hypnotizing individuals for non-medical purposes, and leasurely handing out sedatives can be considered good crisis solutions.
They're not. I never said they were. And frankly, I don't see the Julia and Barnabas relationship as being anymore viable than the Angelique/Barnabas was.
Luciaphil
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I picture Barnabas ending up with no one. It's what he deserved.
Has there ever been a character who objectified the women in his life more than he?
Josette?....Maggie?...Vicki?.....they were so interchangeable to him it didn't matter a damn.
Julia?...He'd just as soon kill her as kiss her, if it suited his needs of the moment.
He didn't want romance OR sex, apparently. He simply wanted possession. So did Angelique. How appropriate.
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Julia?...He'd just as soon kill her as kiss her, if it suited his needs of the moment.
I got tired of him threatening her every 5 minutes.
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I got tired of him threatening her every 5 minutes.
Didn't Barnabas threaten practically all of them? Maybe all the women should just run when they see him? Head for the hills!!!
Question - does Barnabas actually know what "love" is?
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Question - does Barnabas actually know what "love" is?
The B Man did love members of his family: Naomi, Sarah & Jeremiah--up until Jeremiah eloped with Josette and Barnabas killed him for it, of course.
He obviously saw Josette as the shining example of womanhood, for better or worse, and Angelique's unique brand of love surely warped his mind: the destruction of his family, having Josette ripped away from him, being cursed by his affliction...well, we all know that Barnabas has issues. And being chained up in that coffin for 170 years didn't do much for his mental health.
I think when Barnabas was freed from his tomb, he saw an opportunity to make the world that he wanted in 1795, and he didn't care how he did it. He was a victim of a psychotic, evil supernatural social climber; Angelique not only ruined his life--she ruined any chance he had of finding peace in death.
Maggie's resemblance to Josette drove him even more batty--no pun intended--than he already was; but, eventually, Barnabas learned that kidnapping a girl and jacking hard with her mind was no way to find true love. If Barnabas did indeed ever exhibit emotional growth, it was when he finally fell in love with Vicki for who she was, abandoning that dopey plan of re-creating Josette.
And while I dearly love Julia, she was as calulating and sociopathic as Barnabas was early on; she didn't care about helping Maggie, and while she was squeamish about putting the needle to Dr. Woodard, she did it anyway--because by that time she was truly Barnabas' co-conspirator, her own free will putting her in that horrible position.
If she really wanted to help Barnabas, she would've blown off the cure and helped put the horrors of the past behind him...
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The B Man did love members of his family: Naomi, Sarah & Jeremiah--up until Jeremiah eloped with Josette and Barnabas killed him for it, of course.
He obviously saw Josette as the shining example of womanhood, for better or worse, and Angelique's unique brand of love surely warped his mind: the destruction of his family, having Josette ripped away from him, being cursed by his affliction...well, we all know that Barnabas has issues. And being chained up in that coffin for 170 years didn't do much for his mental health.
I think when Barnabas was freed from his tomb, he saw an opportunity to make the world that he wanted in 1795, and he didn't care how he did it. He was a victim of a psychotic, evil supernatural social climber; Angelique not only ruined his life--she ruined any chance he had of finding peace in death.
Maggie's resemblance to Josette drove him even more batty--no pun intended--that he already was; but, eventually, Barnabas learned that kidnapping a girl and jacking hard with her mind was no way to find true love. If Barnabas did indeed ever exhibit emotional growth, it was when he finally fell in love with Vicki for who she was, abandoning that dopey plan of re-creating Josette.
And while I dearly love Julia, she was as calulating and sociopathic as Barnabas was early on; she didn't care about helping Maggie, and while she was squeamish about putting the needle to Dr. Woodard, she did it anyway--because by that time she was truly Barnabas' co-conspirator, her own free will putting her in that horrible position.
If she really wanted to help Barnabas, she would've blown off the cure and helped put the horrors of the past behind him...
You make a great psychologist :)
That's the best description of Barnabas I've heard yet ..
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I second that too too Dr Scout and have to add why wasn't Barnabas insane after all that time locked away
Did he wake up? i know how i feel after a week down the beach with some family members! stark raving mad!
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jennifer
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IIRC, this question was asked of Jonathan Frid at the cast reunion of Shadowcon VII in 1983. This was his second appearance at a DS convention after many years of being out of the public eye. The fan asked who Jonathan himself would have liked Barnabas to end up with and gave Jonathan some examples.... Maggie, Josette, Roxanne....etc....
As Jonathan hesitated a bit, down the row of DS actors, Lara Parker leaned forward in her seat, put her hands on her hips and gave Jonathan a long, Angelique-like glare, as if to say, "Unless you want another witchcraft whammy like you got in the 1795 flashback, you'd better give the RIGHT answer, Jonathan!" As she stared at him, he didn't notice at first but the audience did and they began to go wild! Then Jonathan laughed and diplomatically said to the questioner, "Shame on you for asking that question!"
I'm like Luciaphil. In the past, I always felt sorry for Julia and wished Barnabas would choose her as his love. However, I now believe Julia was too good for Barnabas. She was better off with Professor Stokes, I think. Barnabas and Angelique deserved each other. ;)
SDP
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You make a great psychologist :) That's the best description of Barnabas I've heard yet ..
Thanks!
It also sets up my new TV series: Scout DeSoto, Vampire Psychologist!
Coming this fall to The WB!
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Barnabas DID know what love was.....he wouldn't have been so desperate to find it, especially with every SYT or Josette-look-alike he came across if he didn't. And as already mentioned he loved all of his family, not just the 1795 branch but the present-day family as well, plus I also believe he had a great deal of affection for the 1840 Collins family. The 1897 family I kinda doubt for two reasons: [spoiler]they were a bunch of narrow-minded, opinionated stiffs (Judith and Edward fit this perfectly, a womanizing boozer (Quentin, although Barnabas and he did grow to be good friends by the time 1897 was over) or an immature clown (Carl, obviously Barnabas didn't have much affection for him, considering he winds up killing him! But I digress....)[/spoiler]
As far as the ladies went:
I think Barnabas truly loved Vicki.......even more so when he dropped the idea of turning her into the image of Josette. He and Vicki had great chemistry as friends, but the romantic chemistry just wasn't there. Vicki loved Barnabas but she wasn't IN love with him, that has a lot to do with how I feel about the situation.
Before the curse, Barnabas and Josette were adorable together, and had things worked out, I think they could have been very happy together had there been no Angelique. What happened with those two was a tragedy. I always believed Josette was and would always be the love of Barnabas' life since he spent so many years pining for her and wanting to recreate her with every woman he became interested in.
Angelique.....sorry but nothing is gonna convince me [spoiler]this woman, who tore Barnabas and Josette apart through black magic, who cursed him and killing most of his family with the curse as well, who tormented him throughout the centuries, was Barnabas' one and only true love. She did too much to him for me to buy the whole he-loved-her-but-didn't-know-it-til-it-was-too-late plot device the writers sloppily hatched out.[/spoiler]
Roxanne....never know what Barnabas saw in her. That's all I have to say about Ms. Drew.
Rachel and Maggie were nothing but Josette-clones (though I do believe he grew to care for Maggie outside her resemblance to Josette).
Lady Kitty Hampshire was [spoiler]supposed to be the actual reincarnation of Josette....unfortunately that too was doomed to failure. But one can't help but wonder if, had the Leviathans not intervened, Barnabas and Kitty could have had a happy life in the present-day. She would have had to go through the same adjustments to the 20th century that Barnabas had to make when he was released from his coffin in 1967.
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I will shout it from the top of the lungs.....Barnabas should have turned his affections toward the one woman who had been totally devoted to him and totally self-sacrificing when it came to protecting and helping him.....Julia Hoffman! She loved him so much, and if he had only given her the chance, I think he would have felt more than friendly feelings towards her. She did so much for him, more than any of the younger girls he constantly fell for. I just wish he could have realized that on the show. I mean I know he cared for her, but feel he should have given her more of a chance for his love.
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I think Julia, they were friends and depends on each other. i think he depended on Julia to admit to love her, because he didn't want her do die. How many times did they risk their lives for each other. i don't think that they hide anything from each other except how much they cared. You really don't know what happened in their late night talks. [luv]
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You really don't know what happened in their late night talks.
No, but I have a pretty good idea of what didn't happen - even if it should have.
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I think Barnabas and Julia are somewhat comparable to Barnabas and Vicki, with Barnabas in the opposite position. Just as Vicki cared for Barnabas but wasn't in love with him, Barnabas cared for Julia but wasn't in love with her.
I thought Barnabas and Victoria had some touching moments. Vicki is the first person after Josette he developed feelings for, beginning with [spoiler]his inability to bite her at the Old House. Then his decision not to use Jeff Clark in the experiment because of Vicki's feelings for him, and his willingness to have the dream so that Vicki wouldn't suffer any longer. And finally, his trip back to 1795 to save Vicki only to watch her leave with Peter.[/spoiler] All proof that he loved her, IMO.
But my choice would've been a storyline that enabled him to be reunited with Josette in some form. And I admit, I've wished since I watched it that [spoiler]the Leviathans hadn't come along and that Barnabas had taken Josette/Kitty to the present day. If a better job had been done in establishing Kitty and Josette as the same person (and not made to seem like a possession in some scenes), they would've been perfect.[/spoiler]
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Cool to see these old topics resurrected so that we who are relatively new to the board can reply to them.
If Barnabas and Josette had had their life the way it should have been without the interferance of Angelique, Barnabas would not have lived to the 20th century and wouldn't have met Julia. I always think of his life as the past 1795 and the present 1967-71 separately, it's like two separate lives. So in the past I would rather see him with Josette, living out their lives together as it was planned. The 1795 storyline has so many tragedies. [spoiler]It begins with the planned wedding of Barnabas and Josette. All he is thinking of is marrying her, living at the Old House and having children with her. Had this happened, he would have died sometime in the 1800's.[/spoiler]
This did not happen, he survived to the present day, so he met Julia Hoffman. [spoiler]He also meets two women who he wants to recreate Josette in, first Maggie, then Vicki. When things don't work out with Maggie, he settles on Vicki. If Vicki had loved him I wouldn't have minded them being together, but Vicki had very bad taste in men, first the elderly (compared to her) Burke who treated her more like a daughter than a lover. Then there is the gakky Jeff Clark. I would ten times rather see her with Barnabas than either of them. But since she did not love him, she couldn't be his best choice.[/spoiler]
Julia laid her neck on the line for him over and over. She did whatever he wanted, and put up with so much from him. She was loyal to the end. Though to him the chemistry wasn't there, she was the one who stuck with him through thick and thin. She is my choice for him in the present time.
If Vicki had loved Barnabas I think it could have worked out and in that case, I would have liked to see Julia with the Professor. I do not like seeing Julia out in the cold, if Barnabas is not going to love her, let's at least give her someone. I think the Professor secretly carried a torch for her. They were both intelligent people and they would have had many discussions. I like the Professor and though I'm not attracted to him I would love to spend time learning from him, he is so knowledgable on many things.
I don't think Angelique is worthy of him or anyone, because of her continual jealousy, and her mean actions of the past. How he could forget all the evil things she had done to his family and loved ones over the years and decide at the last that he loved her is beyond me.
Roxanne (parallel time) was too young for him. It's a fantasy of the middle aged male writers that she fell for him too. I don't think in real life that would have happened. As it was, it was just one more dagger to stick in Julia's heart.
So my answer is Josette in the past, and Julia in the present.
Alondra
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It's hard to see Barnabas with any woman for a long time as he is written in the series. I agree with someone who said he had the attention span of a 2 year old. He was in and out of love more times than a yo-yo at a tournament. He loved them all while he was with them and then forgot about his "love" when he moved through time, regular or parallel.
The only woman he kept in constant communications with, work with and feelings never wavered was Julia Hoffman. He never said he loved her as a man loves a wife but he did indicate he was totally devoted to her. They have saved each other's lives numerous times, Julia did whatever he asked and in time he was completed devoted to her too.
Barnabas could make love to any of those other SYT that had his attention but in time, after he had nothing more to say to them or their commonality wavered, he would leave them. Julia knew him the best, his deepest darkest secret and still stuck by him. Other than Angelique who cursed him for eternity, no other woman would understand what he went through or forgive his atrocities.
I can't pick Angelique because there is no reason why he would love the one person who made his life a living hell. Yeah, she was like the others, beautiful, great in bed but beyond that, what's their attraction? They can't talk to each other without threats all the time, she's so jealous he can't even talk to another woman without her threatening her. What sort of life would he lead with Angelique? Very secluded.
The only other woman that came close to relating to Barnabas in any way, other than kissing/physical attraction, was Vicki. They shared certain interests but she didn't love him as a "partner". Of course this is similar to his relationship with Julia. But Barnabas would never ask Vicki to do the things he's asked Julia to do for him. And I don't know if Vicki could handle the truth about Barnabas, what he did in his earlier years, to Maggie, David, Carolyn or Dr. Woodard! Should he keep those secrets from his wife? They are bound to come out and then what?
My choice if one hasn't already figured it out, is Julia Hoffman, his protector and best friend. And as Barnabas matured, he'd learn to love her as much as she loves him. But maturity is necessary for Barnabas to find everlasting love.