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Barnabas--Love and Lust list
« on: August 06, 2004, 04:17:57 PM »
Taken from another topic:

another great moment...when vicki gets caught in a storm and is forced to spend the night in josette's room at the old house...when she's asleep barnabas comes into the room and gazes at her longingly...but he cannot bring himself to take her blood.it sums up the complexity of b's character.

you know i don't like to acknowledge this but i think as Julia later said  to Barnabas.. "oh you really do love Vicki. ."  or some facsimile of that. . . .so B loved
  • Josette (im including Kitty here),
  • Vicki,


I think he LUSTED after
  • Roxanne
  • Angelique--

I also think on a deep level Barnabas loved Julia--what kind of love ..sisterly, somewhat, friendly, definitely, more than that--well that was never fully explored--cancellation interferred with best laid plans. . .

anyone wanna add or modify the list  (I didn't include all his meals in the LUST category)
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Re: Barnabas--Love and Lust list
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2004, 09:25:05 PM »
Other "loves" include Rachel Drummond and Maggie Evans, but I'm not sure if Barnabas 'loved' them as individuals (or if he even thought of them as individuals) or if he was merely drawn to them because each woman resembled dear, lost Josette.  When I first watched the series, I kept thinking how superficial and fickle Barnabas was for flitting from one so-called "true love" to another every month.  Over time, I came to believe that while he seemed to be pursuing Maggie, Vicki, Rachel, or Kitty in reality he was always chasing Josette and associated her with every brunette ingenue he met.  If Maggie, Rachel, etc. were just stand-ins for Josette, then I suppose they belong on the lust list.

However, I don't know how to account for 1840 Roxanne.   ::)  That match always seemed to be very sudden and far-fetched considering what a wreck Barnabas was after losing Josette in 1795.

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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2004, 10:40:07 PM »
When I first watched the series, I kept thinking how superficial and fickle Barnabas was for flitting from one so-called "true love" to another every month.  Over time, I came to believe that while he seemed to be pursuing Maggie, Vicki, Rachel, or Kitty in reality he was always chasing Josette and associated her with every brunette ingenue he met. 

I'm newish to the series but that's the way it seems to me.  He switched from Maggie to Vicki in a heartbeat. Maybe he grew to love Vicki on her own merits but his sudden flip-flop didn't seem terribly loving.

I'm kind of curious about Julia's feelings for Barnabas.  I suppose she initially lusted for him and that grew to love.  He could be so wicked and downright abusive to her in the earlier eps...I don't know how much that changes later.  What was it about him that she desired so much.  Sure, he was a hottie but he could also be so sexist, abusive and manipulative toward her.  I guess she just saw his inner hurt.

Yet, there are a few moments, in the earlier days, that he seems to let down his guard a bit and at least appreciate/respect her.  He seemed genuinely touched when she offered her blood to restore his youth but said that he couldn't take her independence.  Maybe I'm reading too much into that but it seemed like he really didn't want to see her give up the independence and accomplishments she'd worked so hard to achieve. 

Of course, it may have also been foresight on his part---he knew a  smart, savvy person could help in the future...or maybe he just wanted to chomp on a girly-girl's neck.

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Re: Barnabas--Love and Lust list
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2004, 11:28:32 PM »
I think that at first Barnabas was attracted to Roxanne because of her beauty and vulnerability. She was definitely in need of protection. Often times, a man can be very attracted to a 'needy' woman. At first the thrill of being needed by someone is so very appealing.  Then, after awhile, the neediness becomes smothering and not so alluring. I personally know several men that have been through that experience!

I think he became attracted to Vicki because of her sweet old fashioned ways.  He may have also thought that since she didn't know who her family was, and if she disappeared, it wouldn't be investigated at any great length. I think he really did end up loving her in the long run. But he, like so many of us, learned to love again when he realized that he could never really have her in the way that he wanted.

His feelings for Julia were very complex IMO.  He was grateful for the sacrifices she made for him but then he would turn around and be awful to her at the drop of hat showing no appreciation. I'm struck by the way he tenderly carried her into the old house after the attack and settled her gently in the chair.  A chair by the way that was directly opposite of the usual chair where he sat.  It was as if he knew she belonged there, it was her place in his home.  Even if the relationship progressed to a more intimate one, I don't picture it as a 'tear your clothes off' type of thing.  It would be one of a gradual buildup in intensity until the desire wouldn't be denied and would be openly acknowledged between them.
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Re: Barnabas--Love and Lust list
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2004, 11:55:05 PM »
you know i don't like to acknowledge this but i think as Julia later said  to Barnabas.. "oh you really do love Vicki. ."  or some facsimile of that. . . .so B loved
  • Josette (im including Kitty here),
  • Vicki,

I think he LUSTED after
  • Roxanne
  • Angelique--

Barnabas, ever the insatiable romantic, cared for many people (like Julia, I think he has a heart underneath that complicated fascade). But In the end, I think he was lusting after all those mentioned above (Josette, Kitty, Roxie, Angie, etc...). On the other hand, I do believe he loved the *original* Josette, that she touched his heart unlike anyone he'd met at that time, but beyond that...

Barnabas may have "believed" that he loved each of Josette's and [GAG] Roxanne's reincarnations, but I think if he would've hooked up with any of them, he'd NEVER be able to sustain that fantasy (or a long term relationship with said ladies for that matter). He (a product of his past, past hursts, and a splash of his own selfish tendecies) was desperately holding onto the life he lost in 1795. I believe that  only JULIA could've helped him embrace the possibilities of life in the present...and future.  Okay, I'll stop now.   :D


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I also think on a deep level Barnabas loved Julia--what kind of love ..sisterly, somewhat, friendly, definitely, more than that--well that was never fully explored--cancellation interferred with best laid plans. . .

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Re: Barnabas--Love and Lust list
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2004, 02:15:43 AM »
This topic got me to thinking, and several questions popped up. It would seem like he would have 2 great desires after being roused from his slumber... The first would have been satisfied by willies blood, the 2nd, well, he has been couped up for 172 years in the same room , with no female companionship whatsoever, I would think the first place he heads to after arising is the Collinsport docks for a little  P & P  (plasma and partying for you who was thinking otherwise).  OK then he meets his Josette working in the cafe, kidnaps her.. After a few weeks, Maggie escapes, but finds out she is pregnant, and decides to keep the baby, what kind of child would this be?  Half Vampire and human??  Would Barnabas have had to travel to 1995  to score some Viagra?? (he is 200 you know) for his partying with the ladies of 1968? How would Maggie explain away her kids mouthful of k9 teeth?  Would she question why her little girl always wore her hair with the fang bangs?  When she was older and in acting school, would she forget her lines, but make it seem that it was the other actor that screwed up?  (( ok ok way to much time on my hands i know  ;) ))
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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2004, 02:26:34 AM »
(rainey howls laughing..... ;D )

Gee, tripwire.....if the gang that produced the WB DS/2004 pilot had had YOUR script.....we all might have been celebrating this September...... ;)
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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2004, 04:36:20 AM »
I think the original 1795 Barnabas (before the vamp thing) was a typical product of his time. He also had a terrific female influence in his life - his lovely mother Naomi. Barnabas may have lusted after Angelique but I believed he genuinely loved Josette as she really did represent many of the qualities of his mother, she was kind, gracious, somewhat immature but you could see the potential of a generous and gracious nature. Essentially Barnabas made the best decision and I never felt money or status influenced him that much though it's obvious Angelique had a tougher time of it than Josette did.

After recently watching the post Josette death and Barnabas' reaction I think he went somewhat mad with grief and probably guilt had much to do with it. Realistically, people often change after experiencing such trauma and it does seem that even with the vamp thing Barnabas probably never recovered from it. As a romantic, idealistic and sensual person and having felt Josette rejected him at the end his pursuance of innocent ingenue types, that always seemed very asexual to me, made sense. He did like and respect Vickie, and why not? she was a nice and respectable person. Maggie looked just like Josette so that was the story there. I never saw Roxanne. As much as I loath Julia Hoffman I have to admit it also makes sense Barnabas could have experienced some sort of sanity and peace in her company, maybe because she was so different from Josette. Josette should have been the one and that was the horrible tragedy of his life but he could exist, at least, with Julia Hoffman. My two cents.

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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2004, 03:13:35 PM »
I think that Vicky was his ONE true Love:)...Barnabas always seemed to avoid trying to hurt her either as a Vampire or human...but  when it came to Maggie Evans  whether as a Vampire or human at times he could still  be cruel and selfish towards her ...for the most part I would say it was more lust ..True in 1795 he seemed to be in Love with his Josette but again I think Vicky really brought out the tenderness and real Love in Barnabas .

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« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2004, 04:01:29 PM »
I'm kind of curious about Julia's feelings for Barnabas.  I suppose she initially lusted for him and that grew to love.  He could be so wicked and downright abusive to her in the earlier eps...I don't know how much that changes later.  What was it about him that she desired so much.  Sure, he was a hottie but he could also be so sexist, abusive and manipulative toward her.  I guess she just saw his inner hurt.

I've commented on this before but for the newbies. . Grayson said publically that she used Julia being inlove with Barnabas as a subtext for her character, who seemed rather dull to her.  She acted it, it wasn't scripted--then folks caught on and they ran with it.  I think, for me anyway,  Julia's original feelings grew out of a possesiveness for her "pet science project".  When he started revealing his past to her --the feeling became deeper and complex ..of course then he tried to drive her insane and kill her. . .it was a 'thin line' like she said.  Eventually they became quite good friends, companions and Barnabas couldn't function without her--a fact recognized by Dan Curtis who wouldn't kill off Julia Hoffman even though Sam Hall suggested it as a way to continue the show when it appeared B&J had gone everywhere and done what they could in the family's past .. .
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« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2004, 06:11:53 PM »
vicki brought out the tender,human side of barnabas.josette was his great love but i think he was fond of vicki like no one else.
it doesn't seem like he ever really "loved" maggie.he abducted her because she resembled josette but was cruel to her from the start.there was never affection,only manipulation,between them.then he loses iterest in her entirely.
his feelings towards julia changed almost overnight.just before the 1795 story he was about to kill her.when they return to the present she becomes his friend and confidant during the dr.lang/adam story.i don't think he returns the feelings julia has for him but relies on her as a confidant.
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« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2004, 12:21:11 AM »
a fact recognized by Dan Curtis who wouldn't kill off Julia Hoffman even though Sam Hall suggested it as a way to continue the show when it appeared B&J had gone everywhere and done what they could in the family's past .. .

I remember this being discussed on the other list. Frankly, that would've been *terrible*.  Glad they didn't do that.

I mean (for all the pro-Julia fanfiction writers)...how many stories could you come up with involving Julia coming back from the dead?  LOL   ;)

Well, there's still that TV Guide article...thank god.   ;D


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« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2004, 03:34:23 AM »
I think Barnabas came to love Maggie, but not in a really romantic sort of way; it was probably more complex.  It came, IMO, from a mixture of guilt for what he tried to do to her, and admiration for her devotion to the Collins family once she moved in, especially regarding the way she tried to protect David and Amy from Quentin's horrific ghost.  And throw in her similarity with Josette.  His love for her was one based more on a developing and evolving affectionate friendship, even a protective paternalism, reflected in his commenting on how "fond" he always was of her.

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« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2004, 04:07:35 AM »
I think Barnabas came to love Maggie, but not in a really romantic sort of way; it was probably more complex.  It came, IMO, from a mixture of guilt for what he tried to do to her, and admiration for her devotion to the Collins family once she moved in, especially regarding the way she tried to protect David and Amy from Quentin's horrific ghost.  And throw in her similarity with Josette.  His love for her was one based more on a developing and evolving affectionate friendship, even a protective paternalism, reflected in his commenting on how "fond" he always was of her.

I would agree with that except that during the Adam story,
[spoiler]he wanted Maggie to provide the life force for Adam's mate and was quite insistent on it.[/spoiler]
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« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2004, 05:35:58 PM »
In my opinion Barnabas Collins' only deeply abiding love affair was with his own self-preservation.  In order to avoid either the stake-in-the-heart OR the chain-on-the-casket he was willing to, and often DID allow the death or misery of those around him.  Especially the women.

How many time did he ever say "I love you" as opposed to how many times he said "he/she/it MUST be DESTROYED!"?
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