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Re: Will the REAL Angelique please stand up!
« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2008, 01:52:42 PM »
The irony, and the power, of that scene between B and A is that if Barnabas had recognized his true feelings in the first place, he would have saved himself and everyone else a great deal of pain and suffering.

yes, and  it would of cut the DS series run on ABC by 4 years [ghost_mad]
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Re: Will the REAL Angelique please stand up!
« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2008, 05:31:21 AM »
Personally, I love that scene because I believe that Barnabas and Angelique are true soul mates.  I also believe that Barnabas never really loved Josette.  If he truly felt that Josette was the great love of his life, then why was he sneaking around with Angelique?  I feel that he viewed Josette as the ideal woman for someone in his social position, and over the years, built her up into a mythical creature.  I believe that Angelique was the one he really wanted, and that Josette was the one he felt that he should want...
 
...I still think Angelique is the best soulmate for Barnabas.

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Re: Will the REAL Angelique please stand up!
« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2008, 07:23:54 AM »
Angelique is hateful and doesn't deserve one ounce of pity.  I do love to hate her though.  YOU will never convince this die hard BULIA fan that he and Angie belonged together. [ghost_tongue] [ghost_wink] 
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Re: Will the REAL Angelique please stand up!
« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2008, 07:28:06 AM »
Ang Wins-- End of 1840 not so problematic for you I'm guessing?!

Wasn't the Barnelique tryst before Josebarb?
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Re: Will the REAL Angelique please stand up!
« Reply #34 on: August 16, 2008, 03:10:37 AM »
Ang Wins-- End of 1840 not so problematic for you I'm guessing?!

Correctamundo, Mr. Trask!!!

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Wasn't the Barnelique tryst before Josebarb?

Looking at the quotes Midnite provided, kinda sounds like the same time. 

B:  You see, it was a mistake. Oh, I know it was wrong to say it this way, but, well, it's my fault.  I know it was my weakness to...
A:  (wounded) ... love me.
B:  I love Josette.
A:  (angry) But you came to me.
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B:  Because, Angelique, I didn't know that we were going to be married then.  To be honest, I thought I was in love with Josette but I didn't realize she was in love with me.  But now that we've written, (pause) well, you and I... It's impossible.
A:  Are you sad about it?
B:  What good will it be to admit that?  We both have different roles to play now.

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Re: Will the REAL Angelique please stand up!
« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2009, 07:15:05 PM »
Wow, lots of great interpretations here. It shows how great DS is that such completely different yet equally valid interpretations can be done.
Personally, I think Barnabas did love Angelique but rejected her initally out of class concerns, which was very realistic for the time. Barnabas courted Josette primarily thru letters, and I think that he saw her in a romaticised way. Their relationship seems more based on his ideas of courtly love than a real partnership imo. He loved her, but as they were kept apart he became obsessed with her, just as Angelique was obsessed with him.
Barnabas showed how blind he could be to real love with Julia, and was impulsive and fickle with his emotions, falling in love with one pyt after another, most of them being stand-ins for Josette. Than he really though he could hold Maggie prisoner, dress her in Josette's clothes and put her in Josette's room and make her be Josette says a lot about how Barnabas loves Josette, more like a very prized possesion than a person. At the very least the fact that Barnabas tries repeatedly to make other women become Josette shows he's very disturbed in realtion to how he views women and love.
Given how fickle Barnabas is it seems very in character for him to declare his love to Angelique once it's too late to make any difference. But it's one thing to make a foolish declarartion in a heat of passion, making that relationship work long time would've been much more difficult.
Personally, I prefer to think that Barnabas did eventually come to his senses and marry Julia, but once she's died a natural death from old age, if he were still around as an immortal vampire, it seems likely he'd fall into Angelique's arms again, at least until the next Josette look alike came along.

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Re: Will the REAL Angelique please stand up!
« Reply #36 on: October 12, 2009, 02:11:04 AM »
Barnabas showed how blind he could be to real love with Julia, and was impulsive and fickle with his emotions, falling in love with one pyt after another, most of them being stand-ins for Josette. Than he really though he could hold Maggie prisoner, dress her in Josette's clothes and put her in Josette's room and make her be Josette says a lot about how Barnabas loves Josette, more like a very prized possesion than a person. At the very least the fact that Barnabas tries repeatedly to make other women become Josette shows he's very disturbed in realtion to how he views women and love.

I don't think Barnabas saw Josette as a prized possession, at least I saw no evidence of it. Nor do I think his love of Josette was fickle (at least before the curse). I think he honestly was deeply, madly, passionately in love with her, for who she was. I always think the reason he became so obsessed with her, or rather the memory of her, was he felt cheated out of the life they should have had, had it not been for Angelique's treachery. I do think that his feelings for any woman he saw as or tried to make into the image of Josette were fickle, with the exceptions of Vicki [spoiler](once he got rid of the notion of trying to turn her into Josette)[/spoiler] and Kitty Hampshire, [spoiler]who was the actual reincarnation of Josette).[/spoiler]

Once Barnabas was cursed, however, his love turned into an unhealthy obsession. He did try to resist attacking Josette at first, however, his overwhelming desire for her became too much. When he's released from his coffin in 1967 and sees Maggie, he is too fickle by this time to realize that this woman was NOT Josette, nor could she EVER be Josette no matter how much she resembled her. Same with Rachel Drummond. And to a degree, even Vicki even though she didn't look a thing like her.

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