DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '15 II => Topic started by: Watching Project on September 14, 2015, 04:15:09 PM
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Since we've reached the same point in the Watching Project as we had when I'd originally posted this, you might want to look back at this topic to see just how much the shooting of hoDS impacted the taping of the daytime show:
1970PT Watching Project Addendum
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Thanks, WP! I never realized how many episodes were shot out of order! Was it always like that, or was it just to accommodate the film-shooting schedule?
And imagine drawing up a schedule like that without Excel. Some poor soul probably just used a batch of postcards carefully placed on the living-room floor.
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They did often tape shows out of order. In Thayer David's Spring 1969 radio interview, he refers to taping of shows having been re-scheduled from what had initially been posted.
A lot of the people on the show reportedly worked without contract, which may have had to do with juggling schedules if they chose to go off and do a play, as did happen with several of them from time to time.
G.
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That's true--JB did some plays while Elizabeth was supposedly in a coma or buried alive or whatever.
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Sometimes they would also tape out of sequences due to the sets that were being used. If a set like, say, Vicki's or David's room was going to be used frequently in a series of upcoming eps but not in all those upcoming eps, they would sometimes tape in a row all the eps using that set so that they wouldn't have to dismantle the set only to reassemble it in a couple days or so.
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I think that that they would also shoot out of sequence if an episode contained multiple time periods and required actors to play more than one character.
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Which resulted probably in the actors being as disoriented, flummoxed and/or bewildered as the characters were supposed to be, or more so. How surprised am I supposed to be by this? Do I know such and such already? Has my attitude changed toward this character? etc etc.
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I've heard that cast came directly from the Lyndhurst shoot in their "period costumes" to the studio to shoot the parallel time "costume party" sequence. or vice versa...
I've never actually compared them side by side.
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Interesting. I don't know about all the hoDS actors who are involved in both, but the question did come up once as the whether or not the dress that KLS wears on the daytime show is the same one she wears in the movie - and we checked and it is.
It would also be interesting to compare the dates on the hoDS shooting schedule for the costume party and the dates of the daytime show's taping to see if they coincide...
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I seem to recall Joan in costume in both the film and the series as well. maybe Louis too?
obviously Lara and David Selby did not come from the film shoot. I forget who else attended the ill-fated costume party on the series.
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and leave it to DC to pinch a few pennies by utilizing the rented period costumes for both applications. [ghost_rolleyes]
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According to the episode guide compiled by Ann Wilson in the 35th Anniversary Edition of DS Memories, the PT 1970 Costume Ball sequence was taped over 5/21 and 5/22. I think the film shoot had already wrapped some weeks previous to that.
G.
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Yes, it definitely had wrapped, so, so much for that rumor...
Thanks for checking the dates, Gothick. [ghost_smiley]
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and leave it to DC to pinch a few pennies by utilizing the rented period costumes for both applications. [ghost_rolleyes]
Like I said, I'm not sure about any of the costumes other the one KLS wore, but with that one DC got even more use out of it than hoDS and the 1970PT costume party because KLS also wore it as Kitty/Josette when she encountered the ghost of Jeremiah on Widows' Hill.
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Michael C, Barnabas attended both costume parties--in the movie and the TV show--and wore the same costume in both.
In the movie, both Jeff Clark and Chris Jennings attended the costume party.
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thanks...
I always thought it was a nice touch that they splurged for new wardrobe for the "parallel time" period to differentiate the characters there from there "real time" counterparts. there was virtually no crossover.
they composed a few new musical cues for the storyline as well so the viewer knew they were in an "alternate" time period.
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Yes, amazing that they went to the expense. Must have been while DC was off directing the movie.
And of course, the big new musical cue was "Ode to Angelique," the music-box theme that introduced us to parallel time the very first time that Barnabas opened the East Wing doors.
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Don't forget that fascinating liquor cabinet in the drawing room. I would love to have one of those myself.
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Right! I wonder where they got that from.
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A complaint I have about PT 1970 (a storyline I really love, btw), is that PT Liz was originally given outdated sweaters and off the rack skirts to wear. Very mousy and dowdy. When she "came back" from her "rest," she was back to the standard issue "Elizabeth Collins Stoddard, Lady of the Manor" wardrobe. And the dialogue about her anxieties when Quentin was late with her monthly check also disappeared.
G.
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Yes, true! Although maybe Quentin felt sorry for her and increased her monthly allowance after she returned.
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Perhaps when she was away, Elizabeth found a Mysterious Benefactor of her own.
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A complaint I have about PT 1970 (a storyline I really love, btw), is that PT Liz was originally given outdated sweaters and off the rack skirts to wear. Very mousy and dowdy. When she "came back" from her "rest," she was back to the standard issue "Elizabeth Collins Stoddard, Lady of the Manor" wardrobe. And the dialogue about her anxieties when Quentin was late with her monthly check also disappeared.
at least she never appeared in "Liz's" chartreuse roll neck caftan thing (although it was probably still out at Lyndhurst)...
a similar thing happened with "Flora" in 1840. when first introduced she was sort of a doodlehead. however a few episodes in Joan, or someone, got cold feet and she quickly reverted to her standard issue imperious and "matriarchal" Liz-type of characterization.
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I wonder if that caftan might have actually belonged to Joan. She's wearing it in the episode of The Governor and JJ.
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I like to think DCP gifted it to Joan in honor of her services. [ghost_rolleyes]
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It's been a while since I've seen 1970PT and I'm keen to revisit it. I remember at the time I had some complaints that it didn't fulfil it's potential and explore the concept of parallel time as fully as it could (especially regarding the idea of[spoiler]a parallel Barnabas who was never cursed as a vampire).[/spoiler] But considering the production difficulties caused due to the simultaneous filming of HODS a lot of that is understandable. I have a feeling that I'll be a lot more willing to forgive it on a second go around.
In saying that, I think the production itself nails the whole PT thing. The costumes and sets are beautiful and feel unlike anything else in the show -- in present time or in a period setting. The clothing is very 70s yet the decor of the various sets is more difficult to place. And then there's Cobert's re-orchestration of his familiar pieces, which reinforces the feeling of a distorted reality -- and, it must be admitted, is a breath of fresh air especially considering how far off the rails the Leviathans had got towards the end.
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I especially love the beginning of PT 1970, the upstairs parlor/Angelique's suite, the costumes, and the whole nest-of-vipers set-up. [ghost_grin]
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Every start of a new storyline in a different "time" seems to involve a nest of vipers though, who the get softened up and more sympathetic, as time goes on. So I view it as "crying wolf".
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Well, yeah, but it's so much fun! In some ways, the 1897 crew were the most viperish.