DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '07 I => Topic started by: David on January 11, 2007, 06:52:26 PM
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please sign!
Those of you with web sites, feel free to post links.
We CAN make this happen!
go to:
http://www.Petitiononline.com/DSSoapTV/petition.html
thanks!
David
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PERFECT David! This is a great idea! ;)
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Thanks Buzz.
Pass it around.
I do hope everyone will sign.
We have the power to show Soapnet that the DS audience is out there.
David
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OK, 8 signatures, includng my own, in the first 12 hours.
A start.
But I'd need hundreds of signers before I could show the petition to Soapnet.
Otherwise, why would they show it?
They need to see the support the show has.
Please people, sign, pass it around, post links at your websites.
We CAN make this happen.
We CAN see our show back on the air.
David
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I'll sign it tho.....
I'm not very optimistic. Past petitions to get various shows (some more current and some not) back on the air fell flat on their face. So, surprise me.
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With DS available on MPI VHS and DVD, why? Why should Soapnet bother to pay royalties and air it? Is it good business to spend the money to air a show so widely available to it's core fans---and the rest of the world? And would the airing add new fans?
Just my opinion...noting that most all of the soaps on Soapnet are NOT available on home video. Beside, I prefer watching on my own time on my own MPI DVDs.
Sorry to spoil the party...that's my opinion.
Brian
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Brian:
I have the DVDs too, & I love having them.
But not everyone can afford the DVDs.
Soapnet might be an option for them.
Also, having the show aired creates new fans, which is needed to keep the franchise going long term.
David
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I've passed on the link to the DS lists I'm on. I see the votes are up to 31 signatures. I don't get Soapnet on my cable but if others do, at least they'd benefit. I do have all the DVDs now so if they air the series, I can still follow along.
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I have just signed the petition I am proud to say!
Great point about not everybody having the DVD's....Soapnet would be a great opportunity to revive the orignal show and accomidate those people.
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Brian, don't you want the show to gain new fans? Getting it on SoapNet will not only give DS a new infusion of fans, but keep it alive in the media and fandom in general! So go sign the petition now- if not yourself, but for all DS fans everywhere!
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The problem with getting DS back on the air is not the show itself, or how old it is, or what the content is. The only thing that matters, with regard to getting a show on the air is: who makes up the likely audience of this show, and are they the people to whom the advertisers want to sell something.
Advertisers don't care about the content of the show.....only the buying habits of the audience.
If Dark Shadows fans could be shown to be the perfect demographic for .....SOMETHING.....then we have a shot.
Frankly, considering how varied a group we are, I'd be hard pressed to imagine what that.....SOMETHING could be.. ::)
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Despite our varied tastes and lifestyles, I think it's safe to assume that we'd be very interested in anything DS related....so maybe MPI could buy up all the ad space?
All right....so they won't splurge for it all because they already have us within their grasp.....maybe we could watch commercials for LP and KLS' new novels?
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A lot of us are interested in all things DS, plus we have a lot of classic horror/sci-fi fans here.
There's plenty of merchandise out there from all these
varied fandom to fill the ad space.
David
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On a somewhat related note, NBC Universal Cable (who owns SCI FI) announced yesterday that they plan to launch a new horror and thriller cable network called Chiller. It debuts on March 1. DirecTV has already signed on to carry it. Daily programming will include Friday the 13th, Twin Peaks, Alfred Hitchcock Presents and Tales from the Crypt. Feature films will include The Shining, Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho and The Birds, Sphere, The Stephen King mini-series The Langoliers, Blade Runner, Believe, The Crew and The Unholy.
The press release is here:
http://www.nbcumv.com/release_detail.nbc/nbcuniversalcable-20070112000000-nbcuniversalcable.html
The network's web site will be here:
http://www.chillertv.com/
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Chiller sounds WONDERFUL!!!!!!
But like NBC/Uni's crime channel, Slueth TV, I suspect they will ONLY show things from the Universal/NBC library.
Which could include the supernatural soap Passions......
But Chiller might also make a great home for DS.
David
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having the show aired creates new fans, which is needed to keep the franchise going long term.
I wish I could agree...but since I don't watch most of the other Soapnet soaps (Like Port Charles or Days of our Lives, or even Dynasty, which I DID watch in it's first run), and those shows on Soapnet don't inspire me to watch them, why would I expect DS to attract new viewers, via Soapnet? Just my opinion again....
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Brian, you sound like me: back when I was watching broadcast TV, I was selective and unrandom. But from what I've seen here, there is a fair number of people who just happened to see Dark Shadows when it was showing on SciFi (or wherever) and got interested that way. It's reasonable to suppose that the same thing would happen if Soapnet aired Dark Shadows. And think of all those people leading joyless, Dark Shadows-less lives, simply because they don't know what Dark Shadows is like! It fills me with evangelistic zeal.
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It sounds to me that DS would be best suited for the new Chiller channel. I personally would rather it be broadcast on a national network which everyone gets who owns a TV set. [clap]
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Whether it is Chiller or Soapnet, it would be great if DS got on air again. I signed the petition--one can always hope! Lots of people DO watch Soapnet, so I think it would be able to draw in new viewers. Of course, my constant complaint is aagainst our silly landlord who won't allow cable or satellite, but IF we had it, I would watch DS even though I have all the DVDs also. (Just can't ever get enough! Hmmm--wonder if I need a 12-step program for this...?)
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BTW, I love your avatar, Rainingwolf. I got such a big thrill seeing two wolves in the wild while I was staying at Jackson Hole.
Re the petition - I think it's important, especially in light of some of the discussions we have been having about the fests - to get the show on the air and attract new fans. I don't own the DVDs and don't have the time to watch the series even if i did. That said, the important thing is to attract new fans. For that reason alone I will sign the petition.
Nancy
Whether it is Chiller or Soapnet, it would be great if DS got on air again. I signed the petition--one can always hope! Lots of people DO watch Soapnet, so I think it would be able to draw in new viewers. Of course, my constant complaint is aagainst our silly landlord who won't allow cable or satellite, but IF we had it, I would watch DS even though I have all the DVDs also. (Just can't ever get enough! Hmmm--wonder if I need a 12-step program for this...?)
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RW:
you might want to talk to you local rent board.
your landlord might be allowed to say no to satellite,
but as cable is now a standard, you might have the legal right to get local cable.
David
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. Of course, my constant complaint is aagainst our silly landlord who won't allow cable or satellite,.....
Have you considered the possibility that your landlord is STEALING the local cable and won't allow anyone else to request it because he'll get caught once they get up on his roof?.... >:D
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you might want to talk to you local rent board. your landlord might be allowed to say no to satellite,but as cable is now a standard, you might have the legal right to get local cable.
Yes, and as I posted a while back when we were discussing HiDef and Congress' plans to make it the standard, I *think* in 2009, cable may be the only way that some ppl can get broadcast signals. Can't remember the name of that thread, but if you don't have a hi def tv when the switch happens, your tv won't work. I had posted a reply from a reporter friend who writes for a newletter about such matters. Cable is one way to prevent that from happening so as David says, no landlord has the right to refuse cable to the tenants. ;)
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Can't remember the name of that thread, but...
Search/Advanced Search/cable/60daysmax/Current Talk (you can add a cousin's name to be even more specific) OR Search: Current Talk '06 II board for cable brings up this at the top:
Goodbye to DS on Broadcast TV in 2009?
The discussion starts on p. 2 and should continue on its p. 3. :)
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Search/Advanced Search/cable/60daysmax/Current Talk (you can add a cousin's name to be even more specific) OR Search: Current Talk '06 II board for cable brings up this at the top:
Thanks Midnite, I *knew* I could count on you to come up w/the thread name/link! ;)
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I *knew* I could count on you to come up w/the thread name/link! ;)
Ah, but it was the Search feature that came up with it. ;)
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My (our) petition passed 100 signers this morning.
Not bad for the first 5 days.
Can we go for 200?
Let's get our show back on the air!
Spread the word & post petition links at your sites!
I may start another petition to get DS and Passions reruns
on Chiller TV.
Leave no stone unturned!
David
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Up to 101 just a minute ago. I'm passing the word and helping the cause. ;) How about a national network that everyone gets? I know some people on these lists who say they aren't signing because they don't get the Soapnet. I understand their pov.
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I have a partial listing here from the press release. Some of these shows aired on other networks from NBC, so there really is hope:
Chiller will feature classic horror films and television shows around the clock. At launch, the programming slate will include the television series "Friday the 13th," "Twin Peaks," "Alfred Hitchcock Presents" and "Tales from the Crypt." Feature films in rotation will include "The Shining," Alfred Hitchcock's "Psycho" and "The Birds," "Sphere," The Stephen King mini-series "The Langoliers," "Blade Runner," "Believe," "The Crew" and "The Unholy."
Here's an example: Stephen King's mini-series, when they debut, are exclusive to ABC. I also believe "Twin Peaks" was on CBS. "Tales from the Crypt," as I recall, was a syndicated show which aired on what was then (in my neck of the woods) WPIX, which became the WB.
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I also believe "Twin Peaks" was on CBS. "Tales from the Crypt," as I recall, was a syndicated show which aired on what was then (in my neck of the woods) WPIX, which became the WB.
Twin Peaks originally aired on ABC from 1989 to 1991. Tales From The Crypt originally aired on HBO from 1989 to 1996.
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I also believe "Twin Peaks" was on CBS. "Tales from the Crypt," as I recall, was a syndicated show which aired on what was then (in my neck of the woods) WPIX, which became the WB.
Twin Peaks originally aired on ABC from 1989 to 1991. Tales From The Crypt originally aired on HBO from 1989 to 1996.
Thanks for the info. It's good to know!
So, the thing is, they weren't NBC/Universal shows, so there's real hope for Dark Shadows.
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I wish I could agree...but since I don't watch most of the other Soapnet soaps (Like Port Charles or Days of our Lives, or even Dynasty, which I DID watch in it's first run), and those shows on Soapnet don't inspire me to watch them, why would I expect DS to attract new viewers, via Soapnet? Just my opinion again....
Well it's working on me. I never would have gotten into DS if Sci-Fi hadn't shown it and if SoapNet wouldn't be airing reruns of Port Charles, I wouldn't have gotten into that either. A show in reruns can gain a new audience. Just because it doesn't work for you, doesn't mean it wont work for others. BTW, this week on Port Charles is the beginning of the vampire arc. The 12 PM airings. I read a little bit of the story through recaps and I have to say it sounds exactly like Barnabas and Josette. Livvie reminds Caleb the vampire of a girl he was once in love with and now thinks she is the reincarnation of this woman. Same thing with Maggie and Barnabas. I'm still going to check it out, but I know it wont top DS version.
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Okay...I'll sign it anyway...so more young folks--and those who may have missed it in any of the various TV/VHS/DVD incarnations--can be exposed to this wonderful, classic show.
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If Chiller TV is part of NBC/Universal's channel's, would it not be a stretch to think that the 91 Revival Series could possibly pop up on there? I mean, some DS is better than NO DS at all......
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Well, I emailed Jim Pierson about this possible outlet for DS (the original), and his response wasn't particularly encouraging. He said that, more and more, vintage TV shows, those prior to the 1970s, aren't being shown, not even on TVLand for the most part. He said that DVD has basically replaced the airing of these vintage shows. However, he said it couldn't hurt for fans to get in touch with NBC/Universal to request DS be shown on Chiller.
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Well, I emailed Jim Pierson about this possible outlet for DS (the original), and his response wasn't particularly encouraging. He said that, more and more, vintage TV shows, those prior to the 1970s, aren't being shown, not even on TVLand for the most part. He said that DVD has basically replaced the airing of these vintage shows. However, he said it couldn't hurt for fans to get in touch with NBC/Universal to request DS be shown on Chiller.
If a network wants to broadcast a program, don't they have to get permission from the owners... in this case DCP? And if so, wouldn't they go to Jim Pierson with the request? I'm not sure how this works.
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TV Land still airs I Love Lucy, Andy Griffith, Green Acres & Leave it to Beaver.
Sci Fi still airs Twilight Zone.
Encore Westerns runs several cowboy shows from the 50s & 60s.
All is not lost.
The petition is up to 115 signers.
we'll get there.......
David
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If a network wants to broadcast a program, don't they have to get permission from the owners... in this case DCP? And if so, wouldn't they go to Jim Pierson with the request? I'm not sure how this works.
It's a common misconception that DCP own DS - it doesn't. Worldvision owns DS, and any syndication deals are made through them.
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Well, I emailed Jim Pierson about this possible outlet for DS (the original), and his response wasn't particularly encouraging. He said that, more and more, vintage TV shows, those prior to the 1970s, aren't being shown, not even on TVLand for the most part. He said that DVD has basically replaced the airing of these vintage shows. However, he said it couldn't hurt for fans to get in touch with NBC/Universal to request DS be shown on Chiller.
If a network wants to broadcast a program, don't they have to get permission from the owners... in this case DCP? And if so, wouldn't they go to Jim Pierson with the request? I'm not sure how this works.
In the case of DS, they would go to Paramount/Worldvision for the original and for the 91 series they would go to Sony.
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I'll sign the petition. We pay for SoapNet as part of our cable package but I've never watched the channel. They could count on me tuning in if they aired DS.
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If a network wants to broadcast a program, don't they have to get permission from the owners... in this case DCP? And if so, wouldn't they go to Jim Pierson with the request? I'm not sure how this works.
It's a common misconception that DCP own DS - it doesn't. Worldvision owns DS, and any syndication deals are made through them.
OH! Doesn't DCP own something... a copyright the names or something and that's why they had to get DC's permission to do Dark Shadows? I must have the story all screwed up. :'( Either way, I hope Worldvision will see that it's a great venture to air it again!
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I probably should have made that clearer this time around.
Worldvision owns the original DS episodes, but DCP has the Intellectual Property rights to DS. Like Darren and I have said, that means any deals to syndicate the original eps have to go through Worldvision. However, any deal to make a new DS or license any sort of merchandising has to go through DCP.
There are actually several topics on the forum that explain all this. :)
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Gee, good question about Worldvision. Still, I agree with Jackie. I would think that DCP would somehow have to be involved in these discussions. One other thing: Jim said that Shadowgram will be giving info on the Chiller network with the suggestion fans contact them to request Dark Shadows.
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I probably should have made that clearer this time around.
Worldvision owns the original DS episodes, but DCP has the Intellectual Property rights to DS. Like Darren and I have said, that means any deals to syndicate the original eps have to go through Worldvision. However, any deal to make a new DS or license any sort of merchandising has to go through DCP.
There are actually several topics on the forum that explain all this. :)
Thanks for the clarification. It makes sense now to me. I'm still hoping here, though.:)
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I agree with Jackie. I would think that DCP would somehow have to be involved in these discussions.
Not really. DCP wouldn't need to be involved in any original series syndication deals because they don't own the episodes.
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:) I agree with David and Jackie. I have all the DVD's now too but not everyone can afford them, (I couldn't til I got some unexpected money) and it would be good to have the show on every day so we can rally around one or two particular shows and discuss them. We do that on Jackie's DS good and bad group but this is a bigger forum. Also like someone said, it would draw new fans if it was on TV again. So I signed the petition and I hope everyone else will too.
Alondra
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If indeed Shadowgram provides the information to contact NBC about getting DS on the Chiller network, I reccomend writing a physical letter instead of an email. It just seems that much more impressive that you spent the time to handwrite it and throw 39 cents at getting the message to them.
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Welcome, Alondra! And please allow me to throw in a plug for the Coordinated Dark Shadows Watching Project. I'd like to see it grow big and strong as fast as the Leviathan kid did. We're watching episode 211 today, and 212 tomorrow. Threads Mysteriously appear for discussing each episode. General details are in the following link:
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:) I agree with David and Jackie. I have all the DVD's now too but not everyone can afford them, (I couldn't til I got some unexpected money) and it would be good to have the show on every day so we can rally around one or two particular shows and discuss them. We do that on Jackie's DS good and bad group but this is a bigger forum. Also like someone said, it would draw new fans if it was on TV again. So I signed the petition and I hope everyone else will too.
Hi Alondra!!! Welcome!! Check out the discussion on the episodes. They're starting with Willie's "misadventure"... ;)
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well make it 'Soapnet" i don't have the chiller network :'( buuuut "Soapnet" I DO have. ;D
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well make it 'Soapnet" i don't have the chiller network :'( buuuut "Soapnet" I DO have. ;D
The Chiller network won't debut until March 1, and from my understanding, will only be on DirecTV's lineup for now. They partnered with NBC/Universal to create it. I'd love for SoapNet to air it myself, and I did sign the petition. It only makes sense since ABC owns SoapNet, and DS was an ABC soap -- quite a successful one for them at the time!
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The petition seems stalled at the moment.
No new signers in the past 24 hours.
Up to 129, though
PLEASE, folks, sign again if you have more than one email,(but use a different name for multiple signs)
and tell your friends!
This can happen!!!!!
The last 2 signatures were in the names of Angelique
Bouchard & Roger Collins.
May I request that no one use a character name from DS when signing.
We want Soapnet to take the petition, and the show, seriously.
thanks.
David
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;D Thanks to Lydia and Jackie for the welcomes. I am gonna try to find time for this board every day, I've so far been having fun with the captions. I will try to watch the episode that's being watched every day along with the one we're doing on Jackie's group. It's great to have the DVD's so that I can see them all.
Alondra ;D
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;D Thanks to Lydia and Jackie for the welcomes. I am gonna try to find time for this board every day, I've so far been having fun with the captions. I will try to watch the episode that's being watched every day along with the one we're doing on Jackie's group. It's great to have the DVD's so that I can see them all.
Alondra, I'm thrilled that you decided to post. [hello] And so glad that you're enjoying yourself on Caption This! I realize that it's been a while since you registered, but the Forum guidelines require that all newbies familiarize themselves with board rules, and the topic "The Rules And How To Add Captures/Captions/Comments To This Board" that's stickied to the Caption board is a biggie. ;)
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Only 7 signers in 4 days!
Stuck at 136!!!!!
This won't get our show back on the air........
David
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There is now 144 signitures for Soap Net. There has got to be more of us out there.
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???I don't know why more people haven't signed. It went through all the yahoo groups and here, and I know there are more fans of DS than that. They sure aren't gonna reair it if only 144 people will watch. I signed it and I wouldn't watch it unless they started at the beginning since I have all the DVD's.
Alondra
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??? I don't know why more people haven't signed. It went through all the yahoo groups and here, and I know there are more fans of DS than that. They sure aren't gonna reair it if only 144 people will watch. I signed it and I wouldn't watch it unless they started at the beginning since I have all the DVD's.
It could be that people pretty much think it's a waste of time, and nothing will be done anyway. Still, it takes just a minute to sign, and if there's any hope of getting it back on the air, fans SHOULD be signing. I signed a while back. Hopefully, with a little nudging here and there, people will do it.
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Maybe it's time for another link posting on Yahoogroups. [scratch2] [happy1]
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PLEASE, folks, sign again if you have more than one email,(but use a different name for multiple signs)
and tell your friends!
This can happen!!!!!
I am troubled by this. With the greatest of respect, David, may I humbly suggest that encouraging people to sign more than once is not really a good idea, nor does in encourage the signers to take the petition seriously.
And a general question: Who exactly owns DS these days with regard to broadcast/syndication rights? Is the show even available to be broadcast if some station wanted to?
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I would think it would be the family of Dan Curtis, Copywrite laws are good for 100 Years.
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I've seen countless petitions over the years for shows, and it's my observation that it doesn't do much good. A more effective way to be heard/noticed is by letter writing. A letter writing campaign would have a better chance at being paid attention to. Just my opinion.
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And a general question: Who exactly owns DS these days with regard to broadcast/syndication rights? Is the show even available to be broadcast if some station wanted to?
Nelson (and loril54), check out replies #37, 38, 41 or 44 in this topic.
SoapNet made an effort to show DS for quite some time-- they've publicly said as much. The issue was cost.
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And a general question: Who exactly owns DS these days with regard to broadcast/syndication rights? Is the show even available to be broadcast if some station wanted to?
Nelson (and loril54), check out replies #37, 38, 41 or 44 in this topic.
SoapNet made an effort to show DS for quite some time-- they've publicly said as much. The issue was cost.
Thanks for the heads up.
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Thanks, folks.
If we had more fans liker the past few posters, our show would be on in prime time!
Lori54: copyrights must be renewed every 28 years, or the item falls into public domain.
David
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I agree with Nelson that the encouraging to sign under different names is not a good thing, because it definitely makes the petition be taken less seriously than it already is going to be.
And I also agree that these online petitions do little to nothing to change a networks mind because they're not likely to view it anyway. I've also seen many of these throughout the years for various things, and nothing ever became of any of them. But, that doesn't mean that I won't take 30 seconds out of my time to sign it anyway.
And finally, I AGREE AGAIN! (lol) with the letter writing campaign idea. That would be the best way to get the attention of the network--flood their mailboxes with letters about DS. At least then it'd show them that there is a fanbase out there who is interested in their network for SOME reason.
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Well, no one has signed in a week.
The petition stalled at 158 signatures.
It was a nice idea.......
David
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The Petition suddenly got 7 signers last week, bringing
the total # of signers up to 173.
In 3 months!
Meanwhile, a petition to keep Another World reruns
on Soapnet got nearly 1,000 signers in a week.
Maybe this is why DS no longer airs~~it's audience is so silent!
Sad.
David
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Where have you posted the petition other than this board?
There's a very small membership here.
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I posted at www.classichorrorfilmboard.com, a very busy
& popular board that gets hundreds of postings a day.
I sent the petition to www.soapcentral.com, www.collinwood.net & www.soapoperafan.com
but their owners declined to post it.
I also sent it to Michael Logan, the soap writer at TV Guide.
He never responded.
Yet I know he's a DS fan!
Still, here & classic horror film board, which has a number of active DS threads, should have garnered better results.
Yes, we all have our tapes/DVDs, & can watch DS when we want.
But unless the show is broadcast, new fans cannot be brought in & the franchise stagnates,
or worse......
Darren, would you be willing to post it on your site?
How about others who have sites?
David
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its been posted on my site for a while. www.dsfestpics.bravehost.com
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Thanks, Joe! :D
David
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My site has been closed as of last month...
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:D
Well, reviving this thread may have helped.
Five more signatures today!
David
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There's a very small membership here.
Actually ... at least three times as many registered members visit this forum every day than actually post (some may just be shy - others may have nothing to contribute to the current discussions [idontknow]). And when one factors in guests, the discrepancy between lurkers vs. posters becomes even greater because our host's stats show that in 2006 the forum has attracted an average of slightly over 1900 unique visitors monthly (August and September each attracted well over 2000). (And on average the vast majority of those visitors have spent between 15 minutes to an hour plus per visit (this month alone at least 60% of the forum's visitors have spent more than an hour per visit)). [wink2]
and those stats have remained consistent this year as well. Though, of course, chances are that still wouldn't translate into anything like 1000 signatures a week. But then, when any program is already available and playing to an audience (as Another World is on SoapNet), it's much easier to generate signatures to keep it on than it is to generate them to get it on. That's simply one of the universal truths of the game. :-
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Why not sign! Nothing ventured nothing gained.
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Perhaps we're going about this from the wrong direction. Perhaps the problem isn't with the possible outlets for Dark Shadows, but rather with the people or entity that owns the rights to the show.
One might ask what they are doing to find an outlet for DS. Or might they have decided that the show needs to be shelved for an extended period in time before they attempt to bring it back to a new audience?
Maybe they're just asking too much money?
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DCP is part of the problem, RaineyPark.
In the 1980s, KTSF TV here in SF CA declined to air the series because of cost.
Reportedly SoapNet turned it down for that reason.
A small cult show, which DS now is, can only ask for so much money,
David
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DCP is part of the problem, RaineyPark.
Worldvision sets the price for syndication, not DCP. :)
Reportedly SoapNet turned it down for that reason.
And any petitions directed at SoapNet seem unlikely to influence Worldvision to adjust its strategy. :-