DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '06 II => Topic started by: michael c on August 12, 2006, 06:52:21 PM
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i'm nearing the end of the "summer of 1970" episodes and thus the end of my little excursion to collinsport,maine.
for whatever reason i just can't do the 1840/1841 stuff right now.it's not even that specific to those storylines but after having spent the last four years watching this thing from episode one i'm feeling the burn.in the last year alone i've watched 1897,leviathan,1970 parallel time and now the final "real time" episodes.so another seven months of time travel stuff is just not a place i can go at this point in time.plus this is all starting to get so far away from what i first started watching the show for.
that said not feeling obligated to keep watching this thing progressively from beging to end i have the luxury of going back and re-watching some favorite storylines.some of which i haven't laid eyes on in years.
as much as i adore the fountain pen plot i'm not sure i could really handle the first year in it's entirety again.the laura collins story will be a must as will the jason mcquire storyline.i love the early barnabas episodes but i don't think i could watch the weeks that maggie was being kept prisoner in the basement of the old house.too stressful.but the rest of 1967 is my favorite part of the show and it will be a treat to see it again.i'm really looking forward to seeing 1795 again too(having watched it over two years ago).i can't handle the adam plot in it's entirety again but there are parts of 1968 and the dream curse i'd like to see.as for the quentin hauntings and 1897 i watched those too recently and it will be some time before i feel like a re-do.
so my question is are there parts of the show you can't re-watch?that you just have no interest in ever seeing again?
p.s.who knows a year from now i might get a hankering for something new and end up watching the 1840 stroyline but just not now.
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There are no storylines in their entirety that I would avoid. However, I tend to pick and choose episodes in pre- Barnabas (sticking to the stuff after Laura arrives, mostly. However, I watch some eps in this arc just for the location film excerpts, as well!), Leviathan (The latter third of this story along with the reintro of Quentin at the beginning is what I watch) and PT 1841 ( I'm just not the Heathcliff type, so I watch eps here with rising action or dramatic "action" scenes). Some of the Adam story can test you after a few views, but I'm waay into it during the dream curse and after the arrival of Nicholas Blair, Angelique, etc.. Additionally, I enjoy the Dr. Lang storyline from '68. Most everything else I can watch numerous times, especially 1795(latter half), 1897, and 1967!
Petofi
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I find Parrallel Time 1841 unbearable.
The last month of 1840 runs a close second.
The rest of the series ranges from brilliant (1795, 1897, Quentin/Beth haunting) to very good(B&W Barnabas, 1968, B&W Laura) to OK.
David
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Honestly, parts that I don't care if I ever see again: 1840/1841PT, 1970PT, and Summer of 1970. Basically, the tail end of the show. 1970 in general, it seems.
I love 1795 and 1897 to death, but the third time just wasn't the charm in this case, IMO. I have my problems with the Leviathan storyline, but in a way I didn't want to see it end because I knew another time jump was after it.
The reverse, storylines that I can watch over and over: The early black and whites up until 1795 (1967 is my personal favorite year of the show, I'm surprised my dvds still work), 1795 itself, Quentin's haunting of Collinwood, and 1897.
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I seem to be able to watch 1795 over and over again and I can't quite put my finger on why. Definately it's the combination of Frid plus the generally witty and romantic writing (though I always FF the Vickie witch trial) but most of the story is simply riveting gothic. I like early Barnie B&W very much but have not seen it in awhile, 1897 is fine but I'm just not into it as much (except for the Josette/Kitty reincarnation). Dream Curse I rarely see, Bramwell and Catherine were also fine but saw it a couple of times and just don't have the interest to watch it again - maybe it's my anti Barni/Angelique prejudice and the Roger Corman lighting and music.
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i don't think i could watch the weeks that maggie was being kept prisoner in the basement of the old house...
That was the first story-line that really got on my nerves. And it wasn't so much the story-line, but KLS's over-acting (the seemingly constant cries to the ghost of Sarah - "Little girl! Little girl!" :P)
But I can't say that I've seen anything yet that I'll skip over in my next run-through :)
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That was one of my favorites. I never thought KLS over-acted in the storyline either (actually, I can't recall her doing any over-acting, in my eyes, anyway). I thought she gave a good performance of someone who was losing it.
I felt that the show's writing and atmosphere were at top form during the black and white Barnabas episodes. And I thought the acting was mostly top notch, too. I think of it as "DS on its game".
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I felt that the show's writing and atmosphere were at top form during the black and white Barnabas episodes. And I thought the acting was mostly top notch, too. I think of it as "DS on its game".
I agree, those were the epidodes that initially hooked me. I haven't made it to the end yet, but so far I'd say it's DS at it's spookiest...
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I had difficulty watching the part where Jeff Clark is trying to search for his true identity. He and Vicki are supposed to be getting married and he's out in a graveyard! So they postpone the wedding, which for some reason really annoyed me, then Jeff goes to professor Stokes for help. I watch these episodes, but it's hard for me to get through them.
I also have trouble watching the Quentin/Amanda romance, because it seemed to me like they just through an extra character in to the show, then expected everyone to love her, even Quentin, which was just not plausible or convincing to me. I thought Quentin and Beth were great together, but to have us believe that Quentin loves this Amanda who we and he hardly knows, just feels strange.
Okay, now I'll stop rambling. LOL!
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I started my DVD collection with set #9 that a friend gave me for Christmas a few years ago. To my recollection, DS had ended its Sci-Fi run, so it was good to be "back," although it put me right in the middle of the Adam story, which I wasn't crazy about. I took the plunge and started buying the sets from the beginning and eventually I caught up to the DVDs as they were being issued. One of the sets ended at 1995 and while I was waiting for the next set, I started from the beginning again (Barnabas Intro). I have not been able to force myself to get back into the Summer of 1970, I just can't take all the [spoiler]Daphne/Gerard not speaking, David and Hallie pissing and moaning[/spoiler] even though I've continued to purchase the DVDs with the intention of revisiting 1840. Now I've truly come full curcle, back to where I started with set #9. I'd thought I'd bored with the 1967 Maggie/Prisoner shebang but this time around I found that I was fascinated. The anticipation of 1795 was so worth it, and now that I'm back to 1968 and enjoying Cassandra, the 1970 ghosts just aren't appealing.
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Personally it depends on the storyline and the episodes. I think every storyline has it's ups and downs, but there are certainly long chunks of the show I will have to force myself to sit through to get to the good stuff. The ADAM storyline in particular, because Nicholas and Cassangelique are AWESOME, and as much as I love 1897 I'm kind of burnt out on it at the moment, I want to get some Leviathans and some 1840 (I LOVE Gabriel!) 1795 I agree is fantastic with the exception of Vicki's witchcraft trial. You can almost see the pain on Alexandra's face when she delivers some of those lines, and then to be romantically tied to Peter/Jeff where there was ZERO chemistry.
1970PT I am dreading the purchase of, but I'm such a damn completist that it's inevitable.
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Adam and Eve, will NEVER watch that sequence again! Will skip right from the Dream Curse to the hauntings at the end of 1968.
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I cannot stand 1970PT. I will watch kidnapped Maggie, 1795, Quentin's ghost, 1897, Levithans, the dream curse...I'll watch anyone of them..except 1970PT. I find it boring and bland. However, 1795 and 1897 were the most beautiful and exquisite.
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IMO, the Summer of 1970 was the most wretched sequence ever on DS. All the characters ran around twiddling their thumbs, behaving like they'd been lobotomized, and doing everything possible to avoid communicating with one another about what was happening. It was so painful the first time around that I vowed never to watch it again, and I haven't.
Adam & Eve was another story line that I thought dragged and dragged endlessly. I wasn't fond of the Dream Curse either, but I did watch both all the way through twice as they aired on the Sci-Fi Channel. Since then, however, I only watch selected episodes featuring Prof. Stokes or Nicholas Blair, the only redeeming features in either sequence.
My favorite story lines to rewatch are 1995, 1795, early 1897, and the 1967 Laura plot. While 1970 PT, 1841 PT, and Leviathans don't rank high on my list of favorites, I don't have a problem seeing them again, though I agree that certain parts are more interesting than others.
ProfStokes
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I cannot stand 1970PT.
I'll watch some parts of 70PT but not all again. What I'll rewatch, all pre-Barnabas, 1967, 1795, 1968 (Dream Curse stuff and hauntings only) 1897, Leviathan, parts of 70PT, 1995, summer 70, 1840 and 1841pt. Basically all but Adam & Eve and about 1/2 of 70PT.
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Since then, however, I only watch selected episodes featuring Prof. Stokes or Nicholas Blair, the only redeeming features in either sequence.
I so agree with you there. I *love* Stokes in this storyline. He just kicks so much ass!
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There are no entire storylines that I refuse to re-watch as a whole. I seem to watch the series differently from most others because as far as I am concerned, the plots and scripts varied wildly throughout--there are marvelous moments, to my taste, right in the middle of the most ridiculous plot arcs, where somehow everything clicked on a specific day with the writing, the actors and the direction.
Basically any scene with Roger Davis challenges my nerves. My finger starts to itch towards the fast forward button. I'm getting the same way with poor well-meaning Hallie Stocks. A lovely girl and no doubt a very nice person, but her voice makes me heave and her attempts at acting are very alarming.
cheers, Gothick
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as far as I am concerned, the plots and scripts varied wildly throughout--there are marvelous moments, to my taste, right in the middle of the most ridiculous plot arcs, where somehow everything clicked on a specific day with the writing, the actors and the direction.
Exactly. There are marvelous moments in every episode so far as I'm concerned, and I wouldn't sacrifice a one just because some other part(s) of an episode might not be on the same level. Even when a scene features a character/actor who, shall we say, I'm less than thrilled by, quite frequently another character/actor sharing the scene will have a truly unmissable moment - or even the character/actor I'm less thrilled with will do something that makes one wonder why he/she couldn't have been written/performed that way on a more frequent basis.
Basically any scene with Roger Davis challenges my nerves. My finger starts to itch towards the fast forward button.
Poor RD - if only the directors had reigned him in more often. But then, what am I saying?! More often than not the directors not only wanted over-the-top performances, they expected and insisted upon them. No wonder RD was supposedly DC's favorite. ::) [wink2]
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I like the idea behind the dream curse, but to hear the same lines repeated each time someone begins the dream gets rather tiresome, IMO.
Also, let's not forget Lang's experiment where we have to listen to his recorded message over and over, drives me crazy! ;D
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Poor RD - if only the directors had reigned him in more often. But then, what am I saying?! More often than not the directors not only wanted over-the-top performances, they expected and insisted upon them. No wonder RD was supposedly DC's favorite. ::) [wink2]
This weekend, Diane and I watched one of the first year, early Barnabas tapes and also a tape of early 1840. It really is so true how the way the show was directed changed so much. The early shows by Lela Swift and John Sedgewick have more subtlety and a different atmosphere, but especially how the performers reflect emotion and work with the camera changed so much. Henry Kaplan reliance on tight close-ups get tiresome. Do we really need to always be seeing the faces sweat and they are so close, each line of mascara and powder puff of pancake is there. Even Lela's shows are often more frenetic. I love how in Chris Pennock's comic books he contrasts them by having Lela [angel4] go, "Oh Chris, I love what you have been doing with your character," then next day, having Henry Kaplan >:D screaming at him, "I HATE what you are doing today Chris, HATE IT! HATE IT! Give me more! MORE!" I don't think this is too much of an exaggeration of the later era and what the actors were dealing with.
Michael
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MB, I think an excellent example of what you were talking about with less-than-stellar performers sharing screen space with excellent ones who then make an amazing moment of what seems on the surface to be unpromising dross is the sequence where [spoiler]Jeff Clark goes to Professor Stokes to learn how to regress back through to the Eighteenth century.[/spoiler]
I've been meaning to track that scene down again for years--I've only viewed it a couple of times, but my memory is that Thayer brought real magic to that moment. His invocation to the powers of the herbs is one of the rare instances where DS came close to an accurate reflection of a serious magickal practice.
G.
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Of course,any episode with professor Stokes is great! :)
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as far as I am concerned, the plots and scripts varied wildly throughout--there are marvelous moments, to my taste, right in the middle of the most ridiculous plot arcs, where somehow everything clicked on a specific day with the writing, the actors and the direction.
Exactly. There are marvelous moments in every episode so far as I'm concerned, and I wouldn't sacrifice a one just because some other part(s) of an episode might not be on the same level.
Hear, all ye good people, hear what these brilliant and eloquent speakers have to say!
;D
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i agree that there are scenes and episodes even during the worst plots that i enjoy and would not want to have missed(just having joan bennett walk into a scene usually elevates it's status).
but in general i don't jump around storywise.when i'm "in" a storyline i'm in it.that's my focus.so by not re-watching a particular part of the show i'm thinking more in terms of not investing the time to sit through the weeks/months worth of episodes of that particular plot in it's entirety.
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Several years have passed since I watched DS with any sort of regularity, but lately I've been getting the itch to start watching again. What I plan to do is start watching from episode one, when the pre-Barnabas episodes make their DVD debut. I find that the early Barnabas episodes are even more enjoyable when viewed in their original context.
I can't say that there are any portions of the series that I would never watch again. I'm not the most discriminating fan; I love it all. However, I do agree that the show has its slow spots and weak moments. Given the format (5 days a week, 52 weeks a year), such lapses in quality are inevitable.
My favorite episodes to re-watch? The sequence beginning with the arrival of Barnabas and ending with the seance. And, of course, any episode featuring the Divine One! ;)
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One of the reasons I prefer watching programs on either DVD or via my DVR is so I can fast forward through stuff I think is boring. The fast forward button is my friend. It keeps me from being bored while watching a program. I have not watched DS regularly since the 1980s but have on DVD here and there. There are parts I would not watch again such as the experiment and some others and even though segments I enjoy, I fast forward through scenes that aren't interesting to me.
Nancy
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Unfortunately, there are parts of the series that I've never seen (many of the pre-Barnabas episodes and the latter part of 1841PT). But I have to say, some of the storylines that I found less than compelling the first time around (like Leviathans and the Dream Curse/Adam 1968 story), I really enjoyed on second viewing.
Like several others have mentioned, I think there are moments in every storyline, maybe even in every episode that are worth repeated viewings. With that being said, I'm not in a rush to see 1795 again soon, but only because I just got done watching that a couple months ago.
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I've been on a several months lay off in watching any of the episodes. With fall on the way, I'm looking forward to watching the pre-Barnabas episodes again. The Laura episodes are extra special when the weather is getting colder. I just love the whole Frank Garner & Vicki searching for her past while the Phoenix story line is beginning to unfold and Prof Guthrie's arrival. To me, this is pre-Barnabas at its best. Oh, and not to mention Laura's driving Liz nuts. I don't think I could get tired of this storyline.
I liked the Adam and Eve storyline in the beginning but got really tied of Adam towards the end. I for one was glad that Adam got sent to the closet never to be seen again!
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I've been on a several months lay off in watching any of the episodes. With fall on the way, I'm looking forward to watching the pre-Barnabas episodes again. The Laura episodes are extra special when the weather is getting colder. I just love the whole Frank Garner & Vicki searching for her past while the Phoenix story line is beginning to unfold and Prof Guthrie's arrival. To me, this is pre-Barnabas at its best. Oh, and not to mention Laura's driving Liz nuts. I don't think I could get tired of this storyline.
I liked the Adam and Eve storyline in the beginning but got really tied of Adam towards the end. I for one was glad that Adam got sent to the closet never to be seen again!
i totally agree about the laura collins story.
i watched it three winters ago and it's totally curl up on the couch under a blanket stuff.i remember it being cold and snowy outside and just being mezmerized by this strange woman and story.
it's the first storyline i intend to re-watch but i need to wait until there's that nip in the air. ;)
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The nights are pretty cool here in Maine now (it was 49 at 10:00 the other night and we could see our breath in the air!) I threw on some early Barnabas episodes last night and had a wonderfully spooky evening. While watching later episodes you forget that the supernatural elements to the show were at first all atmosphere and rarely shown. Maybe it's the black-and-white as well, it adds to the effect.
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i agree i just fast foward the scenes i hate[ like any scene with amanda]
1970pt was my least favorite and i hated the laura collins story
jennifer
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i hated the laura collins story
I think the first time they told it, in the 1967 pre-Barnie eps, it was cool and interesting, and Diana was fabulous! But it was rather tiresome and played out when they did it again in the 1897 plotline.
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Interesting topic, for me, I am rather picky as to what I want to rewatch, 1795, isolated episodes in 1968 with Barnabas and Cassandra/Angelique, parts of 1897 (yes, the Barnabas/Angelique stuff...), a FEW Leviathan, and then 1840/1841PT. You should definitely give the last year a try, if only to see Jonathan play another character, Bramwell, and a lot of the stuff in 1840 is pretty good.....but I can see being burnt out if you have watched the whole thing for four years, I hope you did not buy ALL the DVDs--that is so expensive!!!!
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Interesting topic, for me, I am rather picky as to what I want to rewatch, 1795, isolated episodes in 1968 with Barnabas and Cassandra/Angelique, parts of 1897 (yes, the Barnabas/Angelique stuff...), a FEW Leviathan, and then 1840/1841PT. You should definitely give the last year a try, if only to see Jonathan play another character, Bramwell, and a lot of the stuff in 1840 is pretty good.....but I can see being burnt out if you have watched the whole thing for four years, I hope you did not buy ALL the DVDs--that is so expensive!!!!
because i started from episode one i started on vhs and continued as such for the next three years.i also didn't own a dvd player until last christmas.since i only received two or three vhs volumes a month it was taking me forever to get through this thing.three years just to get to the end of the vicki episodes.with the start of the quentin hauntings i switched to dvd and things picked up in speed alot.
still i have a massive pile of videos and dvds and as many of us here have have probably spent what amounts to several thousand dollars on this once it's all added up.
as for 1840 i just can't work up any enthusiasm for it right now.they mystery being set up during the summer of 1970 just isn't tempting me to go for it.
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Mscbryk, if you have a Netflix account you can rent the 1840 DVDs from there, if they ever get volume 25 in their inventory!!
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Mscbryk, if you have a Netflix account you can rent the 1840 DVDs from there, if they ever get volume 25 in their inventory!!
great news do they have the whole series?
jennifer
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About the only parts I can't stand are certain bits of the Adam storyline when he's all arrogant, really just 10 minutes worth of stuff here and there, and the entire "Turn Of The Screw" stuff when [spoiler]Quentin is posessing the kids.[/spoiler] Thier constant squealing really grates on my nerves. I can watch maybe the first 10 episodes of that, but then it just exceeds my capacity for tolerance. And Roger Clark when he's engaged to Vicki - I can watch it I guess, but good grief somebody should just whack that guy with a fireplace poker or something.
I've just got DVD sets 5-15, and those are the only parts I use the "skip" button on.
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I cannot watch one single second of Amanda Harris
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I cannot watch one single second of Amanda Harris
I'm definitely with you on this one, Sheenasma!
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I cannot watch one single second of Amanda Harris
I'm definitely with you on this one, Sheenasma!
It's ironic isn't it, that two of the character/actress replacements that most fans seem to hate the most (Amanda Harris & Betsy Durkin replacing Alexandra) turned out to be played by two of the NICEST women! ;)
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I really can not stand the Adam and Eve storyline. Actually anything from mid 1968 to early 1969, with the exception of a few nice moments, is a real bore. If I never see those storylines again it will be too soon. Everything else is just wonderful!
As for Maggie Evans, I can't stand her! She's so whiny. It's just her incessant whining and complaining!
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There isn't any one entire storyline that I would not watch but there are episodes the bore the living daylights out of me. One such subplot is the Liz "I'm going to die" plot! Every time Liz comes on screen talking about her death, I just want to screem "Die already"!!! Actually I don't want HER to die, more the idea of Cassandra's spell on her thoughts around dying.
Another part of a storyline that got me stark raving mad was the ending of the Leviathan story. I didn't understand some of what was going on, seemed choppy, but basically it was interesting... in the beginning. [spoiler]After Jeb destroyed the alter and the ghost of Bradford returned to seek revenage on the Leviathan leader, I started screaming.[/spoiler] IMO, they ruined the ending completely for me.[/size]
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Another part of a storyline that got me stark raving mad was the ending of the Leviathan story. I didn't understand some of what was going on, seemed choppy, but basically it was interesting... in the beginning. After Jeb [spoiler]destroyed the alter and the ghost of Bradford returned to seek revenage on the Leviathan leader,[/spoiler] I started screaming. IMO, they ruined the ending completely for me.[/size]
Darn, I tried for a long time to figure out how to add the spoiler code to my message and of course only found out AFTER I posted the message. When I figured it out and came back to the message, it was too late to modify it. Sorry! I did add the spoiler line in this message! :o
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dsbarnabasfan,
It's no problem. You tried and succeeded, and that's what matters! [oky]
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Thanks Midnite, I knew you'd eventually fix it but not until you logged in. :D
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Mscbryk, if you have a Netflix account you can rent the 1840 DVDs from there, if they ever get volume 25 in their inventory!!
great news do they have the whole series?
Yes, Jennifer, Netflix has the whole DS DVD series available, though they have not listed vol 25 or 26 in their inventory yet, sigh....
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The whole 1970 Parallel Time I never will watch again, due to the absence of Barnabas, Julia, Roger, Elizabeth, Carolyn, Willie, Maggie. I never really liked any of the PT leftovers or the stories.
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The episode was so distressingly brutal when
[spoiler]Barnabas beat up Willie. [hall2_cry] [hall_cry]
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The episode was so distressingly brutal when
[spoiler]Barnabas beat up Willie.[/spoiler]
Did you see HODS? [spoiler]That beating of Willie was way worse[/spoiler] Made me cringe!
[female_skull]
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Did you see HODS? [spoiler]That beating of Willie was way worse[/spoiler] Made me cringe!
Oh yeah, [spoiler]Barnabas beated Willie a million times worse in HODS than on the show. Poor Willie was shown all bloody and bruised when it was over. [hall2_embarrassed][/spoiler]
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Oh yeah, [spoiler]Barnabas beated Willie a million times worse in HODS than on the show. Poor Willie was shown all bloody and bruised when it was over. [hall2_embarrassed][/spoiler]
I was surprised, watching the show, that Willie showed only a bruise or two after Barnabas beat him. The look on Barnabas's face suggested he might or might not stop short of murder. When he brought the cane down, I jumped in my seat.
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Did you see HODS? [spoiler]That beating of Willie was way worse[/spoiler] Made me cringe!
Yes! That was terrible as well!It took me awhile to like Barnabas after that scene in DS, and I never DID like him in HODS after that! [hall2_cry]
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The difference between the Barnabas in HODS and the Barnabas in the show was that Barnabas eventually became more humane, if not totally rehabilitated. The Barnabas in the movie, once he [spoiler]kills Julia Hoffman
[/spoiler] becomes totally unredeemable.
Even after watching HODS I still liked the Barnabas on the show, I just look at it that he and the one in the movie are two different Barnabas. One was more likable and more sympathetic than the other.
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I just look at it that he and the one in the movie are two different Barnabas.
It's not just Barnabas - nearly every chararcter in hoDS is very different from their counterpart on the show. ::) Which is but one of the reasons why I've never understood the people who say it was nice to see DS on the big screen in hoDS. To me, the daytime DS and hoDS are practically as different as night and day. :-
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It's not just Barnabas - nearly every chararcter in hoDS is very different from their counterpart on the show. ::) Which is but one of the reasons why I've never understood the people who say it was nice to see DS on the big screen in hoDS. To me, the daytime DS and hoDS are practically as different as night and day. :-
True, the movie was very different from the show. In a sense I think that's why I liked the movie, it was a totally different Collinwood, with the same characters but different personalities and different outcomes.
Some have suggested that the movie was responsible for the show's demise. Whether that's true or not, I still like to drag out HODS on video now and then and watch it.
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I also have trouble watching the Quentin/Amanda romance, because it seemed to me like they just through an extra character in to the show, then expected everyone to love her, even Quentin, which was just not plausible or convincing to me. I thought Quentin and Beth were great together, but to have us believe that Quentin loves this Amanda who we and he hardly knows, just feels strange.
Okay, now I'll stop rambling. LOL!
That was perfectly put. As I have said before and probably will say again, Amanda as a character fits the classic description of a Mary Sue in fanfiction: a one dimentional character inserted into the action that everyone automatically loves for no dramatically established reason.
At least Amanda never got a crack at fixing the warp drive with a bobby pin..... [laughing_devil]
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1970PT I am dreading the purchase of, but I'm such a damn completist that it's inevitable.
GMTA -- The last deepdiscountdvd.com sale got me caught up except for these. I'm in NO hurry.........
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Also, let's not forget Lang's experiment where we have to listen to his recorded message over and over, drives me crazy! ;D
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