Is Joe a Collins?

[Nelson Collins]

I seem to recall reading here that [spoiler]Chris/Tom/Amy Jennings are related to the Collines through Quentin.[/spoiler] But I also recall someone mentioning that they are also realated to Joe Haskell.  Is this ever spelled out?  Is Joe related to the Collinses as well, or [spoiler]just related to Chris by marriage?[/spoiler]

[DSFan008]

i don't believe Joe is a Collins i believe he's related to Chris and Amy by marriage.

[Countess]

Joe Haskell isn't a Collins but he is a cousin to Tom, Chris and Amy Jennings.  Hope that clears things up for you.







edited by Midnite

[TERRY308]

I agree with DSFan008.  He was only a cousin to Tom, Chris and Amy.

[The Ghost of Sarah Collins]

Yes indeed, Joe was the cousin of Tom,Chris and Amy... I believe on their father's side since [spoiler]their Grandmother was lanore who was a Collins.[/spoiler] 

[Heather]

As I understand it from viewing the series a few times, and seeing the family tree in the DS Almanac (chuckle) as well as a few websites...

[spoiler]Quentin had two kids, a boy and a girl... Now of course the boy died, via the curse placed on Quentin. The girl, Lenore, lived. Lenore later married and must have had at least two daughters: one married a Jennings, the other a Haskell. So - Tom/Chris/Amy were cousins to Joe. However, that also means that for Tom, Chris, Amy *and* Joe...Lenore was their Grandmother, and Quentin was therefore their Great-Grandfather (even though they probably wouldn't have known that, since Lenore wasn't brought up a Collins - but she still had the same genes to pass on the curse and whatnot, of course  )  They all have traces of Collins blood, but not directly.[/spoiler]

 Whew...hope I figured that out right. LOL  

[Josette]

There's nothing to say how Joe is related, just that he's a cousin.  He could be descended from Lenore's spouse.  He could be descended from the spouse of one of her children.  Or, he could be related to the Jennings' other parent, the one who isn't Lenore's grandchild and have nothing to do with her family at all.

[Heather]

Good point. My apologies... late night.  

[Connie]

Whew...hope I figured that out right. LOL   

Well, you did - according to both the 30th Anniversary Almanac and the more recent Millenium Edition.
The family tree shows clearly that...

[spoiler]Quentin is great grandfather to both the Jennings AND Joe Haskell because Lenore is their grandmother.  Interestingly, the 30th Anniversary book shows Joe's name in the family tree and the other book does not - just that the other daughter of Lenore married a Haskell.[/spoiler]

Just one question....don't know if this has ever been discussed:

[spoiler]Why wasn't Joe also a victim of the werewolf curse??[/spoiler]

[Nelson Collins]

Just one question....don't know if this has ever been discussed:

[spoiler]Why wasn't Joe also a victim of the werewolf curse??[/spoiler]

That was my next question.  And for that matter [spoiler]why were Amy and Tom not affected?  Especially Tom since he and Chris were twins?[/spoiler]

[Julia99]

We forget this was a soap--familial ties would've changed or become clearer or more muddled had it stayed on .. in my warped imagination and in a JuliaList story i scribed. .i wrote that Lenore was still alive--albeit old--she was born in 1897 and in 1972=-age 75--she was still alive and reunited with Amy and Chris and it is also revealed she was Julia's long lost bad bad mother.  .haha !

[Gothick]

Those family trees would appear to incorporate quite a bit of fannish speculation.  I myself have speculated that Joe was related to the Collins', though distantly enough so that I don't squick at the thought of him dating Carolyn.  I think actually that in the Celtic lands there were traditions of first cousins marrying so the same goes for Chris and Carolyn... I've always thought that the Collins had their background in a Scots-Irish family.  Since they were already here in the US in the 17th century, they were obviously amongst the early waves of settlers.  But I digress...

On the show, in canon, it only says that Joe was a "cousin" to Chris, Tom and Amy.  Because of his closeness to Chris, and his protectiveness to the child, I always thought that cousin here means a close relationship rather than a distant one.  English kin terms are so darned imprecise ...

G.

[Raineypark]

I've always assumed that we, the fans, have given much more thought and consideration to this familial relationship than the writers ever did.  In soap operas everyone is related (usually unknowingly) to everyone else.

 Being cousins is the least of it. I'll bet money that there's a character out there in Soap Opera Land who's married to her own Step-Grandpa-once-removed...on her mother's side.  

[Mysterious Benefactor]

And for that matter [spoiler]why were Amy and Tom not affected?  Especially Tom since he and Chris were twins?[/spoiler]

  As Midnite has conclusively proven [spoiler]Tom and Chris were not twins[/spoiler] That is a misconception that has been aided and abetted by the all too frequently inaccurate PomPress books. 

In ep #564...

[Nelson Collins]

Re: Tom and Chris - Are their any cast or writers who have gone on record as to what was intended?

MB - Thanks for the link to the other thread!  Interesting, but as I recall [spoiler]headstones are not the most reliable for dating the births and deaths of DS characters   [/spoiler]