DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
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Robservations #751
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Quentin's first werewolf episode was certainly exciting! It's amazing how DS writers can write a werewolf episode and not have a werewolf in any of the scenes.
Trask's conversations with the women who work at the school at this point in the storyline really repulse me, more than later on. It seems fitting that the only young woman to love Trask is named Dorcas! [easter_wink]
I don't see why Rachel doesn't just tell someone, even Beth, that Trask is denying Jamison food. You'd think that Jamison's wellfare would over-ride any crime that Rachel may or may not committed in the past. [sad3]
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I was thinking the same thing about Rachel, but then she had tried in the past to warn the Collins family about Trask and they didn't seem that interested in believing her. Edward seemed to only want the children out of the way of Laura and he seems to be the final authority on what is done with them. Rachel doesn't seem all that bright as she should realize that Trask never went to the police in the past when she ran away so there must be a reason and that the attention it might bring from the authorities would be bad for the school's reputation.
How desperate for attention must Dorcas be to fawn all over that discusting Trask.
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People will often cross any boundary for guaranteed entrance into heaven. Cult leaders count on that.
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The teaser is from different angle this time, but seems essentially the same scene. It also seems like TC did the voiceover again.
Talk about timing. Of all nights for Rachel to run over to Collinwood to tell them about Trask mistreating Jamison it has to be tonight. No one around but the writhing in pain Quentin. And we find out the family doctor is named Pendleton and his number is Collinsport 319.
BOO HISS Trask and Dorcas the snitch. Trask admitting that Rachel awakes “animal instincts” in him. The next line about elevated feelings does cause a snicker after that. Ominous that he intends to keep Rachel there, no matter what, until his feelings cease. Anyone else feel slimed by his comments all through the episode? [toothy1]
And now we cut to Beth’s wrecked room, with no sign of Quentin. Now we see the crying Beth who’s going to be the status quo. Rachel is back to being Rachel, asking nosy questions and complaining about not understanding the Collins and their secrets. And here’s Beth telling Rachel that she would be a Collins “one day” as she and Quentin were going away together before he got sick. Then again, although the rest of the explanations Rachel wanted weren’t all that necessary, maybe that was, since she told her she left Quentin on the bed in her room.
This is the Trask gross out episode. That whole scene on the phone with Rachel “when two people are very close they always know each others whereabouts……” EWWWWWWWWWWWW. The hints we are getting in this episode are just screaming sexual predator. This added to the confession he made that he was punishing Jamison for something he didn’t do, to teach him humility. OH Rachel is such a moron, telling Trask what she intends to do. She should have gone to the Collins quietly behind his back, and let Trask be blindsided. [ghost_wacko]
Noises in a wooded area, doesn’t occur to anyone that animals live in the woods? Why would it necessarily be a person? EWW but it enables Trask to find Rachel. Doesn’t it EVER occur to Rachel to run away and get on a train somewhere? It’s not like they had the FBI in those days – she could have headed out west and gone where no one had ever heard of the Trasks or Collinwood. I agree with alwaysdavid who says that Rachel should figure out that Trask is bluffing. If she got far enough away, he'd never be able to track her down. It's only because she stayed close that he found her again. DUMB! [ghost_huh]
Beth is desperate, calling Evan must be one of her last resorts. Do we know what she may or may not know about Quentin and Evan’s little experiments with the dark arts?
And what is wrong with Rachel, managing to be found over Dorcas’s dead body? She ‘s a disaster magnet.
Ripped Shirt alert [ghost_grin] – here’s Quentin sprawled out in the foyer, soiled face and clothes covered with blood – and no memory of anything that’s happened since he was in Beth’s room.
Jeannie (who has finally learned her lesson after losing a post on ep 750 and writes these in word, then copies over)
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I'm about 10 eps behind the WP, but RobinV and the Program Guide list KLS as the opening speaker.
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I am behind as well but I am working on it. I have some notes to jot down though.... [ghost_blink]
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OK, I feel better now. I'm only about as far behind as everyone else. I'm still griping though about the looong detailed post I was doing on #750 at the beginning of the week (before work got me) then 5 min from the end of the ep I start adding something and somehow hit such a wrong key on this laptop that I wiped the ENTIRE multiscreen detailed post! [sad6] [8311] [8311]. Took me a few days to have the ambition to go back and watch AGAIN.
OOPS! on my mistake on the voice over. Maybe I should think again about trying to do this cold without checking any reference materials.
Jeannie
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I personally watch the show with a legal pad in hand. I like to jot what comes to mind. I try to edit it live and post. I watched about 8 episodes today and hope to get the others watched tomorrow and then I am gonna be postin like a mad man.......I have missed this project. It's good for my psyche to have this to come to everyday. Yeah I am a dork, what of it?? ;) LOL
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Oh, it's highly cool to keep notes as you go, though yellow 14" long paper is not a necessity (did lawyers decide that was valuable for some reason?)... I try to annoy people whenever possible, by making such notes and making them available to a possibly unreceptive public via this wonderful Internet thingie.
Wherever I go on this Earth, people thank me for this act of generosity. Well to be frank, not really.
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Dorcas and Dirk should get together. And raise a little Dork of their own.
"Righteous cruelty" ... isn't that an oxymoron?
Collinwood seems to have a mind of its own here, what with its front doors refusing to close and the phone appearing on the foyer table as soon as it's needed for an emergency.
Why was Rachel so surprised to hear Trask's voice on the phone? I can't imagine who else would be looking for her. It's not like they had telemarketers in 1897. And why take the call in the first place if she thought nobody knew she was there? (Like Beth before, Rachel refers to her former employers here by their first names instead of Mr. Edward and Miss Judith.)
The presence in the woods made the sound of human footsteps, so perhaps that's why Rachel didn't consider it might be an animal.
Barnabas is obsessively interested in the welfare of Quentin, whose otherwise healthy wife recently dropped dead, and she happened to be the beloved sister-in-law of his housemates who happen to be gypsies, and said gypsies are terribly grief-stricken, so you'd think Barn would be all over it, right? But no, he's entertaining Edward, and whom do you suppose did the cooking for THAT untimely little dinner party?
Maybe I should think again about trying to do this cold without checking any reference materials.
There's a link to the corresponding Robservation in the main topic for each ep. [ghost_smiley]
Ripped Shirt alert [ghost_grin]
Nipple alert! [ghost_happy]
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The comments in this thread are especially FANTASTIC.
Doesn’t it EVER occur to Rachel to run away and get on a train somewhere? It’s not like they had the FBI in those days – she could have headed out west and gone where no one had ever heard of the Trasks or Collinwood. I agree with alwaysdavid who says that Rachel should figure out that Trask is bluffing. If she got far enough away, he'd never be able to track her down. It's only because she stayed close that he found her again. DUMB! [ghost_huh]
Wasn't that covered before?-- that the carriage out of town was more than she could afford, and her only possession of value was the brooch but it would only get her as far as Boston. And that was when the Collinses were paying her, whereas Trask seems to be pulling every trick he can to withhold her wages, like he did before to both Tim and Rachel so that they had to steal what was due to them in order to leave. I'm sure he did/does it on purpose to prevent Rachel from leaving. Trask is nothing if not obsessed with her, and he sees her as his property.
Her reasons for staying make for a hokey story, intended to have us see Rachel as a hapless victim. Unfortunately, she's also annoying.
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Wasn't that covered before?-- that the carriage out of town was more than she could afford, and her only possession of value was the brooch but it would only get her as far as Boston? ....Her reasons for staying make for a hokey story, intended to have us see Rachel as a hapless victim. Unfortunately, she's also annoying.
I was really thinking more when she first ran away, but was probably fuzzy in how I put it. Knowing Trask was looking for them, it would have made sense for her to run as far as she could on whatever she had right then. I'm probably relating that to the slightly similar escape in Jane Eyre, where, after finding out about Rochester's mad wife meaning their marriage was off, and refusing to stay with Rochester without marriage, Jane went as far as her money lasted: somewhere where no one knew of her or of Rochester or any other backstory. Then again, I also think I'm remembering her coming back from Boston(?) with Edward. What the heck would have possessed her to even INTERVIEW for a post so near to Trask as Collinwood is implied as being, after getting that far away? Not to mention those "excellent references" that Edward somehow checked. [scratch2] [confused5]
Yeah Rachel as hapless victim: anyone got a railroad track they don't need right now? One Damsel in Distress, coming up. [crazy]
Jeannie
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I suppose it's a good thing that the writers were consistent when they placed Rachel in Boston after the first time she ran away and then said it was only as far as what little she had could get her the next time she tried.
Maybe she allowed herself to return to the vicinity of Trask's school because she overestimated her own strength, or thought being in the employ of the Collins family would afford her some protection?
Geezus, do I really have to [spoiler]put up with her for another month?! [rleyeb][/spoiler]
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It's yet another case of a character whose internal logic behind their actions stretches credulity like a rubber band. [ghost_wacko]
Re: your spoiler. Thats how I feel about Vicky in 1795. But at least she started out smart and competant, unlike our Rachel.
Jeannie
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After her having pulled off Josette successfully, why did they make KLS go back to weak lightweight roles?
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Trask's conversations with the women who work at the school at this point in the storyline really repulse me, more than later on. It seems fitting that the only young woman to love Trask is named Dorcas! [easter_wink]
LOL Very True! Me and my fellow DS friend from childhood (whom I recruited) can just say "DORCAS TRILLING" and we fall over dying laughing. I would akin it to the story that Kate Jackson told about "Everything Ezra told you was true!" Everyone thinks we are stupid, but we "GET IT!" ;) It unexplainable. Just an inside joke (one of many) that we have. When we are together people may as well not try and figure out our crazy conversations! LOL
Dorcas and Dirk should get together. And raise a little Dork of their own.
Amen sista! Imagine how ANNOYING that child would be!! SHUTTER!!!! [ghost_wacko]
VO: KLS
My tapes are bad....did KLS say Jenny lies "nearly" dead or "newly" dead? I love the lamp on the table that Q falls in front of, the yellow one. Very pretty. I collect lamps and candelabras! Do you think Rachel would have probably been played by Alexandra had she stayed with the show? I think she probably would have. Poor AM. Stuck with another "dumbed down" role. I do like Rachel's green outfit though. I am a redhead so green really appeals to me and looks good on me.
Gregory makes me want to [puke]. VIAL PIG!
I have to agree with everyone so far. Rachel is beyond ANNOYING. I hate it that poor KLS had to portray such a total moron. She is "I don't understand" part deux! Get a clue gal. KLS is such a talented actress it's really a shame! At least later on she gets to play the lovely [spoiler] Lady Hampshire![/spoiler] I cannot believe Trask slapped her. A man of God indeed.
I for one was very satisfied with Dorcas getting eaten. The actress playing Doracs wasn't very convincing with her "NO's!!"
I never did notice before the disembodied parts of Dorcas lying on the floor. EWW...
Shirtless yummy, dirty, QUENTIN! HE is scrumptious! Do you need a bath baby? I will go draw you one!
A+ For that TWIT Dorcas getting eaten!!
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I cannot believe Trask slapped her. A man of God indeed.
I for one was very satisfied with Dorcas getting eaten.
A+ For that TWIT Dorcas getting eaten!!
Some of us expect religious hypocrisy, in fact some over-react against all religion because of the hypocrisy they've encountered, unfortunately. Trask(s) was a very important figure in my formation as a person. Large as life (larger actually) there he was, the authority figure who portrayed himself as saintly and unimpeachable, impossible and immoral to disobey... and he's a bastard! Trask may as well have been wearing a placard saying "Question authority"!
So we accept easily that a fire-and-brimstone preacher could be that way, but the sensible ones amongst us doubters don't blame religion itself for people like that.
As for Dorcas, you yoinked a big LOL out of me with "I for one was very satisfied with Dorcas getting eaten."! I just saw this, and missed the body parts-- do I want to go back to look for them? Mmmaybe not.
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My tapes are bad....did KLS say Jenny lies "nearly" dead or "newly" dead?
RobinV quotes it as "newly dead." There's a link to her summary in the main topic of every WP.
I didn't carry a memory of Gregory from the 60s, though I know I was glued to this storyline. But I do vividly recall the fear and anger that his great great (one too many greats, for sure) grandfather inspired in me. But why one made such an impression on me and not the other, I'm not sure. I was blissfully unaware there were pedophilic priests for one thing.
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I didn't carry a memory of Gregory from the 60s, though I know I was glued to this storyline. But I do vividly recall the fear and anger that his great great (one too many greats, for sure) grandfather inspired in me. But why one made such an impression on me and not the other, I'm not sure. I was blissfully unaware there were pedophilic priests for one thing.
I never saw anything prior to Chris as a werewolf on first run, so I don't have any childhood memories of Rev No First Name Trask. One of the few memories I had of 1897 before seeing it again in 2002, however, was a scene with Gregory and Charity. Think it was one of her first [spoiler]soujours into Pansy Faye-ness. [/spoiler] I remember his being astonished at something (I didn't remember exactly what) and yelling to her to get upstairs and wash her face. I also remembered him being a creep, but without any memory of the juicy details.
Jeannie
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Dorcas Trilling (What a name!) was the first victim of Werewolf Quentin. [milestone] It happened pretty darn fast, too! Dorcas screamed and then, right away, Rachel saw Dorcas's mutilated body. [ghost_shocked] I guess the Werewolf was particularly vicious when he was first created. [Wolfie]
This was the first time we saw Quentin's chest! [ghost_cheesy] Also, the first time his clothing was in tatters. [milestone] He looked strangely weird and sexy all at the same time. His sideburns really "matched" his clothing, but they looked a lot more fake when his shirt was off. Loved seeing him without his shirt, though! Mmmm! [luv]
Gregory Trask was a sexual deviant to the Nth degree. He was really creepy in this episode. [vryevl] Dorcas being attracted to him was sickening. Trask was really mean to Jamison - not letting him eat. I don't blame Rachel for trying to give Jamison some food. Withholding food is child abuse! [ghost_mad]
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I was thinking, as I was watching this, that the actress who played Dorcas might have made an acceptable substitute for Alejandra in those unfortunate episodes when she was no longer able or willing to appear. She's attractive and looks more like Alejandra to me than either of the two actresses they actually got to play her.
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When we saw Quentin on the floor of Collinwood with his hair a mess, my first thought was, "Elvis!" I'll bet that would make David Selby very happy.
I wish we could have seen more of Dorcas Trilling. I wondered, when Trask talked about how Rachel awoke baser instincts in him (and then said he was talking about anger) if he was checking to see if Dorcas was interested in exploring baser instincts. I was quite surprised to learn that he knew Dorcas was listening to his side of the phone conversation with Rachel. And then he put his hand on Dorcas's shoulder again. To quote Pansity,EWWWWWWWWWWWW.
Then later, when Trask put his hands on Rachel's shoulder, she shrank away - very nice. If only Dorcas had not been torn limb from limb, we might eventually have seen her arrive at a point at which she too shrank away from Trask's touch.
Re: your spoiler. Thats how I feel about Vicky in 1795. But at least she started out smart and competant, unlike our Rachel.
It's off-topic, but I've just got to comment: NO! When I was watching the first episodes, my jaw dropped again and again when I saw Vicky doing incredibly ill-advised things. Incidentally, I reread Jane Eyre recently, and was very much impressed with how Jane didn't run around asking people stupid questions, but just did her job.
After her having pulled off Josette successfully, why did they make KLS go back to weak lightweight roles?
I have to agree with everyone so far. Rachel is beyond ANNOYING. I hate it that poor KLS had to portray such a total moron. She is "I don't understand" part deux! Get a clue gal. KLS is such a talented actress it's really a shame!
The fact that Rachel was a lightweight does not make the role of Rachel a lightweight one. We rant and rail about how stupid Rachel was, but I don't think we ever say things like, "She seems as though she should have been smarter than that." As far as I can tell, Kathryn Leigh Scott gave a nice, consistent performance. She had nothing to be ashamed of there.
Rev No First Name Trask
Any relation to Sheriff No First Name Davenport?
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I always wished that Rachel would have told Edward and Judith about her past with Trask and what he would do to Jamison and Nora if they entrusted them in his care...but the more I think about it, would they have believed her? Trask was a 'reverend' after all, albeit a very cruel one, but he's shrewd enough to keep his cruel nature hidden within him around the adults, with whom he's ever so charming and convincing around. Once he's alone with the children, he shows his true colors. Rachel was merely a schoolteacher. Trask would have spun that same old tale about Minerva's brother and Tim and Rachel's supposed involvement in his death...I could see at least Judith buying it whole-heartedly without questioning him.
I really hate Trask. And I wasn't too fond of Dorcas, either. Rachel was right, they deserve each other.
Fortunately for Trask, and unfortunately for Jamison and Nora, there were no child services in those days. That's why Trask was able to get away with his cruelty, his false reputation as a man of God, and the fact Rachel was just too scared (with just cause) of him to call his bluff and try to expose him.
Lydia: In regards to Vicki while I agree she did make a few blunders here and there (like trusting David at times when she shouldn't have), I think she DID do her job very well, a bit more than you give her credit for. And what's wrong with Vicki asking questions, anyway, especially about Mrs. Stoddard hiring her? Elizabeth never really answered them truthfully anyway, so guess the point is moot. Sorry, I know I'm getting off-topic here.
Didn't see much of Quentin in here, but that's understandable since he's just been cursed. It was nice to see Beth so concerned about him, despite his recent actions. Quentin is lucky to have such a devoted woman who cares very much about him (much like how Barnabas has Julia who loves and cares for him very much, though at times both men took their lady friends for granted).