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General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '02 II => Topic started by: ClaudeNorth on August 02, 2002, 05:47:14 AM
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I just finished watching TCM's new documentary on Joan Crawford and found myself thinking what DS would have been like if JC had been cast as Elizabeth instead of Joan Bennett.
I honestly think JC would have made a terrific Liz, although she probably would have been more imperious in the role than JB ever was.
Also, I suspect that the Blue Whale would have been serving a lot of Pepsi Cola, and that Pepsi would have been the soft drink of choice in the coffee shop, too.
And just imagine JC and Grayson acting opposite each other!!!!!
Regards,
John
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It was an interesting show. Have to wonder how the two would or wouldn't get along.
My grandpa used to know Crawford when she was young. Her mother was a waitress then and my grandpa delivered cookies to the restaurant. He didn't like her. That's about all I know of it.
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I can envision Joan Crawford as Elizabeth confronting Mrs. Johnson..
NO...MORE...WIRE...HANGERS !!!!
(someone had to be the one to say it ;D )
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Just saw that too! now she was scary!
She would have made Liz very interesting to watch!
She could have filled in that time Nancy B was sick
like she did for her daughter
Christina in the Secret Storm Wish they had that tape
on the show tonight That must have been a Hoot to see! :o
jennifer
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Picture Mrs. Johnson on her hands and knees on the floor with Liz (Joan) shaking cleanser ( ajax, comet, etc.) all over the place, poor Mrs. Johnson trying to clean it up.
Tanis
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She could have filled in that time Nancy B was sick
like she did for her daughter
Christina in the Secret Storm Wish they had that tape
on the show tonight That must have been a Hoot to see! :o
I agree. I would love to see those episodes. The next time I'm in NY, I'm going to check the Museum of TV and Radio. It's possible they have them in their archive.
Regards,
John
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I agree. I would love to see those episodes. The next time I'm in NY, I'm going to check the Museum of TV and Radio. It's possible they have them in their archive.
oh let me know John i mean how weird was that!
she was in her 60's playing someone in her 20s!
jennifer
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There is an "urban legend" of sorts that Miss Crawford was being possibly considered for the part, but her reputation made them nix the thought almost right from the beginning. But she would've been great as Elizabeth Collins Stoddard.
Gerard
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I'm a member of MTR, and I have searched for episodes of "The Secret Storm", but no luck. I can't believe that CBS was so stupid not to preserve those historic episodes featuring Joan Crawford! But then again, ALL of the networks were notorious for reusing the videotapes their soaps were recorded on after a period of time, with the rationale of "Tape's expensive, and besides, who the hell wants to see a soap opera rerun?" This was the practice (even with Proctor & Gamble!) until about 1979, when the networks and P&G finally began preserving its tapes with the new outlet of foreign syndication in mind. Of course, the success of the DS reruns in the 1970s was also a deciding factor. We should ALL be lucky that as an independent producer Dan Curtis was able to save his tapes!! This was also the case with "Strange Paradise" and both "Days Of Our Lives" and "The Young & The Restless", which are partly owned by Columbia Pictures Television. At MTR, you can see several color 1970s episodes of DOOL and Y&R, as their archives are complete- with DOOL, this goes back to show#1 in November 1965!! The "Days" folks have been able to use clips from the 60's & 70s in special episodes,, and all in color!! Back to the Crawford episodes- I do have a suspicion that there MAY be a color tape out there. Here's why: until 1969, "The Secret Storm" was owned & produced by its sponsor, American Home Products. There's every chance there may be some pre-'69 episodes in some tape vault.
Recently there was a big noise over the discovery of several hundred vintage "Hollywood Squares" shows from the 60s & 70s with Paul Lynde, Peter Marshall, Cliff "Charley Weaver" Arquette, Wally Cox & Rose Marie. You can thank -SUPRISE!- Jim Pierson for this. Apparently, he and some people were searching some LA tape vaults for any possible missing DS video masters before the DVD releases began, and came across the long- missing "Hollywood Squares" material. Since Joan Crawford made her appearances on "TSS" prior to the show's 1969 sale to CBS, there may be a slim chance that someone may have archived these episodes SOMEHERE. Believe me- stranger things have happened. Personally, I'm still holding out hope that there are color tapes of "General Hospital" from 1967-77 out there in a vault in either NY or LA. Let's not forget the miraculous recovery of the lost NODS footage......
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a big noise over the discovery of several hundred vintage "Hollywood Squares" shows from the 60s & 70s with Paul Lynde, Peter Marshall, Cliff "Charley Weaver" Arquette, Wally Cox & Rose Marie. You can thank -SUPRISE!- Jim Pierson for this......
Wow my thanks to JP for sure, and Jim if you are reading this you have made many at the GSN board very happy! That show has so many fans ~ and so many of the great gameshows got destroyed, more 'time capsules' lost :'(. This is great Sarah-n-dippity!!
Salute!! :D
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Charles thanks for the info
i kinda thought that if that tape was around they'd show it!they did a pretty good job in the movie
with Faye! It would be just interesting to see how
she tried to pull it off!
jennifer
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Sorry but I can't see Joan Crawford as Elizabeth, can't stand that woman! From what I've heard she was a very difficult woman to work with and butted heads with a lot of people in Hollywood during her day. I don't think Dan Curtis would have tolerated Joan's "it's my way or no way at all!" attitude that she had.
Joan Bennett was perfect as dear Liz, Judith, Naomi, Flora. She was in my opinion the best actress on the show.
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While I agree that Joan Crawford could never have been all the characters that Joan Bennett played so perfectly, I can't agree that she was the most talented actress on the show. Nancy Barrett gets that accolade, in my opinion....hands down.
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I don't think Dan Curtis would have tolerated Joan's "it's my way or no way at all!" attitude that she had.
Considering that according to several published reports that was also DC's attitude much of the time, it seems unlikely he would have allowed anyone other than himself to have that sort of attitude, much less get away with it. [hall2_wink]
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I can't agree that she was the most talented actress on the show. Nancy Barrett gets that accolade, in my opinion....hands down.
No problem, we all have different opinions on here. [hall2_smiley]
Nancy was definitely great in every role she played too. I think my favorite Nancy roles are Charity/Pansy and Leticia. I bet Charity, as [spoiler]possessed by Pansy Faye[/spoiler] must have been a real blast for her to play.
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While I agree that Joan Crawford could never have been all the characters that Joan Bennett played so perfectly, I can't agree that she was the most talented actress on the show. Nancy Barrett gets that accolade, in my opinion....hands down.
You know it! I really started to take note of NB the first time I saw the Adam story, and as the show moved into 1897 she totally blew me away! Some years went by before I was able to see her again as Millicent, and again I was just amazed with her performances. What a great actress!
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I bet Charity, as [spoiler]possessed by Pansy Faye[/spoiler] must have been a real blast for her to play.
I'm sure. And the rest of the cast must have howled, watching her doing run-throughs before they did a take.
Oh, to have been a fly on the wall whenever she and John Karlen were rehearsing!!! [hall2_wink]
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Nancy was definitely great in every role she played too. I think my favorite Nancy roles are Charity/Pansy and Leticia. I bet Charity, as [spoiler]possessed by Pansy Faye[/spoiler] must have been a real blast for her to play.
Couldn't resist responding to this one, late as it is. At my first Fest in 06 I asked Nancy Barrett that exact question (given my handle it won't surprise anyone to hear that Pansy/Charity's one of my three favorite characters) and what she told me at that time was that that was her very favorite role.
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Joan Crawford had been considered for Ma Kent in the 1978 Superman film.
She was too ill to accept & died as the film was shooting.
Crawford could NEVER have played Liz Stoddard.
Her 1968 Secret Storm appearence was a fiasco because she was not a quick study & didn't know her lines.
She didn't make an occasional cute blooper~~she didn't know any lines at all & couldn't figure out how to cover herself!
David
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I love some of CRAWFORD old movies but I could never see her as Liz. JB all the way.
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While I'm very happy that Joan Bennett played Liz, I would have liked to see Joan Crawford and Louis Edmonds acting together.