DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '02 II => Topic started by: Maria_Merriweather on August 29, 2002, 06:24:07 AM
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To commemorate AM's last day as Victoria Winters vote for your pick as her best moments on the show. I always liked it when the show centered around her and I think it is regretable that they didn't develop her character more. My vote goes for the opening sequence of the series with Vicky on the train--"My name is Victoria Winters ..." Second is her part throughout the Laura storyline when she and Frank were investigating Laura and she was able to save David from her. :o Others-- Vicky held hostage by Matthew in the Old House and Vicky tried as a witch in 1795. :o
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When Matt Morgan pushed that urn off the old house (with the outdoor shot and everything). How gothic novel was that?
That was a tough pick for me, and I think it has a lot to do with the fact (at least IMO) that Alexandra Moltke really improved as an actress throughout the course of her stay on the show, and while she was getting better, her role was not...
But seriously, I thought her performances later in the series were far more relaxed than the more awkward ones from Vicki's "good old days" of being a gothic heroine. It also struck me that AM hasn't really messed up (ya know, besides giggling) in a while.
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Harry Johnson arrives at Collinwood, and Victoria screams. She tells Elizabeth that when she was in the past, she shot someone, and Harry looks exactly like him. :o
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todays episodes as she is wearing that wedding dress!! wow, was it cold in there or what???? :o
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I'm thinking, I'm thinking.....
Oh! I know, with that cute lawyer, Frank Garner. I remember one dinner scene (with Frank or Burke) when she had her hair up, eye makeup on and she looked great. I liked the scenes with the crypt keeper too.....
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Since I really enjoyed the 1795 storyline, I'd have to say my favorite moments with Vicky were when they were holding that seance at Collinwood and then suddenly, she finds herself thrown back in time to the year 1795.
I also liked the part when Barnabas was holding that "so called costume party" at the old house and Vicky had gone all dressed up as Josette.
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I liked it when Vicki was in 1795 and she and Daniel were hiding from Nathan in the Collins Mausoleum...I think she did some of her best acting around that time.
Adra ;)
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I liked her early scenes with David (when he was still highly disturbed.) Specifically, I can remember a scene of them physically fighting (either over the bleeder valve or one of Vicki's letters) and another of Vicki tricking David into the hallway and locking the door behind him against his angry protests. She had to be pretty strong in those days, both intellectually and physically to deal with and outwit the little monster.
ProfStokes
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I'm with you ProfStokes. The first thing that came to mind was AM's early days and her scenes with DH. The first that came to mind for me was a scene where Vicky and David were sitting on his bed and she was explaining "things" to him. She was telling him about her anger as a child growing up alone in the foundling home. It was very poignant and I got totally sucked into the scene; hook, line, and sinker - I mean I got an attitude adjustment that lasted a few days, lol.
Dom
PS- VW is one of my all-time fave characters.
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Hmm I've only seen the first 60 episodes, 20 from right before the arrival of Barnabas until he gets a painting commisioned, and from the death of Dr. Woodard to now. I'd have to say she was great in many of her scenes that I've seen. I thought she was great with David Henesy and Nancy Barrett in the early episodes. I enjoyed the scene she had with Lara Parker where she told Cassandra what she thought about her.
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She had to be pretty strong in those days, both intellectually and physically to deal with and outwit the little monster.
I agree. I think Alexandra's best work was done during the B&W episodes. Unfortunately, by the time DS went to color, Vicki was already well on her way to becoming DS' #1 doormat/victim - and clueless to boot! She was neither during most of the show's first year. She stood her ground against everyone.
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Now comes the dumbing down of Maggie as she transforms into a Vicki clone.
(Hmmm - I wonder if like in Invasion of the Body Snatchers, the "real" Vicki and Maggie weren't actually in a field somewhere on the Collinwood estate, having the life drained out of them by those extraterrestrial plants, while their clueless clones took their places? >:( Now THAT might make some sense...)
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quess i would have to say 1795( i really didn't like the pre Barnabas storylines) but she really grew boring when she returned and there wasn't a lot to do with her
role. She never returned to acting wonder if this was her choice?
jennifer
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quess i would have to say 1795( i really didn't like the pre Barnabas storylines) but she really grew boring when she returned and there wasn't a lot to do with her
role. She never returned to acting wonder if this was her choice?
Hmm I believe AM did some stage work in the '70s.
On another note, I liked how AM wasn't the last credited in hre last two episodes, even though it was probably a glitch. Though it was weird that they had 'and Alexandra Moltke as Victoria Winters' followed by Marie Wallace (#626), Robert Rodan (#626), or Greta Markson (#627).
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Unfortunately, by the time DS went to color, Vicki was already well on her way to becoming DS' #1 doormat/victim - and clueless to boot! She was neither during most of the show's first year. She stood her ground against everyone.
Yes, and I admired that she went for what she wanted, never worrying about appearances like the rest of the Collins family.
My favorite Victoria moment was when she asked Burke to take her up to his suite because that's where he kept the records of his investigation of the Collins family... and her. Everyone that witnessed this, including Burke and Joe, got the wrong idea, but because it meant an opportunity to learn more about her past, what the small town folk might think didn't seem to concern her. I think that was the nite Burke began to see her differently, which isn't surprising because that Vicki had spunk.
Carolyn also invited herself to Burke's room at around that same time, but the way she threw herself at the guy and reveled in being seen there was almost embarrassing.
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I'm surprised no one has mention this episode, but a real stand-out scene w/Alexandra Moltke was the seance held during the Laura story line to find out from Josette about Laura; Josette spoke through Vicki in French. The actress obviously spoke French herself; she was quite fluent. I was impressed with her acting in that scene.
Like Cassandra, 1795 is a real favorite of mine, and the initial episodes when Vicki first finds herself in 1795 are my all-time favorites. Loved the ending of the first episode, when Barnabas announces that the carriage carrying the new governess has overturned, and Naomi says to Vicki "Young lady, I think you had better tell us who you are, and what you are doing here," and Vicki simply faints dead away from being overwhelmed by it all. This is a classic episode as far as I was concerned.
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Vicki's early dealings with David stand out in my memory, as well as her first scene with Joel Crothers as Nathan in 1795.
Like Midnite, I admired her for going up to Burke's hotel room, not giving a damn that it could be giving Devlin--or others--the wrong impression. I also enjoyed some of her scenes with Burke, when he was falling in love with her and she was, unknown to herself, undermining his efforts to bring down the Collins family.
AM also had some wonderful moments with Joan Bennett (how I wished she had told her the truth about her identity when Vicki was about to be married)!
I also thoroughly enjoyed Vicki's Blue Whale scene with the nearly-dead Jason McGuire, when he hinted he knew of her origins and she accused him of trying to hurt her.
I loved Vicki as originally conceived by the DS writers, and the dumbing down wasn't her fault. I'm just sorry she never was brought back as the villain she longed to be, and think Dan Curtis missed the boat on that one.
Great question!
Love, Robin
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Now comes the dumbing down of Maggie as she transforms into a Vicki clone.
I'm sorry, but it just isn't possible that Naggie could get ANY dumber than she was with Willie recently when he wanted to save her! To get as clueless as Vicky will be take an increase in IQ! [roll3]
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I already mentioned my best moment pick, so now I'll mention my least favorite moment of Vicki's, when she killed Noah Gifford! :'(
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::)Hmmm. Well, I think her reactions to familiar faces when she first met the Collins family in 1795 were good. Other than that Vickie didn't seem to be very demonstrative at all. Ah, yes. Clueless is the word.
Misty
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I shall miss Victoria's inquisitive expression before uttering "I don't understand" :'(
My very favorite "Vickie" moment was when Vickie while eluding the evil clutches of the so called self proclaimed Reverend Trask, risked her life to visit Sarah who at that time was under the first illness cast upon to her by the real Witch Angelique!
Such a touching scene there ever was! :'(
:-[Fare thee well little governess... :-[
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I shall miss Victoria's inquisitive expression before uttering "I don't understand"...
Hear! Hear! [beer]
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I'm sorry, but it just isn't possible that Naggie could get ANY dumber than she was with Willie recently when he wanted to save her! To get as clueless as Vicky will be take an increase in IQ! [roll3]
(sigh) Oh, but it is possible. Watch and learn as Maggie's brains start eaking out of her head until she's really just a shell.
As far as favorite Moltke scenes go, I have two. One's a small moment, but I liked it.
She goes to Matthew's cottage (the first Matthew) and for about five minutes they have blueberry muffins and talk.
The other is after she's just about had it. Carolyn's doing one of her mood swings and I think Liz is on her case and I just love it when Vicki lets out her frustrations, tells Mrs. Stoddard enough is enough, (possibly quits) and IIRC, loudly declares "AND I'm NOT trying to steal anyone's boyfriend!"
Luciaphil
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My favorite Vicki scenes were in the initial 1795 episodes, altough I think she had a lot of good moments during the first year of the show. It's really a shame that the character, who was such a big part of the show from the very beginning, was dumbed down and diminished in importance as the show became more and more supernaturally oriented.
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(Hmmm - I wonder if like in Invasion of the Body Snatchers, the "real" Vicki and Maggie weren't actually in a field somewhere on the Collinwood estate, having the life drained out of them by those extraterrestrial plants, while their clueless clones took their places? >:( Now THAT might make some sense...)
Now THAT might make them ... the Stepford Governesses.
I, too, found AM's early scenes with DH poignant. It must have been a challenge for an adult actor to relate to a child actor having intelligently written lines. I mean, these weren't the usual adult-child exchanges I'm used to seeing on TV, and much effort and talent was needed to pull them off. AM and DH established a terrific emotional connection between themselves.
I also like the early eps of the 1795 storyline, although I always get hoarse yelling at my TV set for Vicki to stop blabbing to everybody what century she came from and to just put a sock in it. ;)
Ben
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One of my favorite scenes is when Vicki 'breaks it gently' to Barnabas that she thinks of him just as a friend. I also like the scenes between Vicki and Barnabas at the old house on the night she sleeps over in Josette's room. Oh, the tension of it all!
I also liked the scenes between Vicki and Roger when she stands up to his arrogant attitude. You go girl!!!
Lastly, the scenes between her and David in the early days were exceptionally good.
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I already mentioned my best moment pick, so now I'll mention my least favorite moment of Vicki's, when she killed Noah Gifford! :'(
Now, now, I know you love Craig Slocum and both his characters but consider this: he WAS trying to kill Daniel....what was she supposed to do, let him kill the boy? She HAD to do it!
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Vicki's early dealings with David stand out in my memory, as well as her first scene with Joel Crothers as Nathan in 1795
I also thoroughly enjoyed Vicki's Blue Whale scene with the nearly-dead Jason McGuire, when he hinted he knew of her origins and she accused him of trying to hurt her.
That's the one!
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As to Alexandra's best moments, one of them has already been mentioned, the scene where she's getting it from Carolyn and Elizabeth, but Vicki fights it out with both of them and holds her own. I was really rooting for her there because she was right....there should be a limit to what she has to put up with from everyone there.
I also loved her bad-mouthing Cassandra when [spoiler] she tells her she won't tell Barnabas the dream no matter what. [/spoiler] Despite the fact that she was in "I don't understand" mode at this point she still had some spunk with her.
There's no question that Alexandra was at her best during the first year of the show. But she still had her moments even after the arrival of Barnabas and 1795.
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It also struck me that AM hasn't really messed up (ya know, besides giggling) in a while.
Could someone point me to the ep where AM get's the giggles? I remember her saying she and Nancy had to turn away from Louis one time.