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My question is -- which character was really the "glue" that held the various Dark Shadows storylines together??

I'm NOT really asking, which character was the most IMPORTANT in the series -- that was obviously  Barnabas.  But, which character provided something unique -- something "key" to understanding what was going-on?

My answer is: Professor Stokes.

When everyone else was "in the dark" (often including Barnabas and Julia) -- Professor Stokes always provided just enough insight to drive the story to the next level.  Stokes was an expert on the "para-normal", yet he was somewhat removed from the show's biggest secret -- Barnabas was a friggin' vampire.  The important role that Stokes played is not fully appreciated, in my opinion.

That lack of appreciation for the "Stokes" role is clearly illustrated in the 1991 DS re-make, when Professor Woodard (Stokes), is killed-off mid-way through the series.   WTF were they thinking?  The DS franchise will always need a somewhat removed expert on the occult.    It was the Stokes/Woodard character that allowed us viewers to suspend our disbelief.

Hmmm.  On the other-hand, has anyone ever thought that perhaps Stokes really was aware of Barnabas's secret -- yet he chose to remain silent, so he could study it????     Hmmmm.

But, back to the subject -- I don't believe ANY version of DS could survive without SOMEONE in the Professor Stokes role.  Stokes was the glue that held DS together, in my opinion.   Anyone agree?  Disagree?

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Collinwood in a Porno Movie?????
« on: March 18, 2007, 10:02:09 PM »
And Peter North as Quentin Collins,

Chad Hunt as Willie Loomis.

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Has any other show had 3 incarnations...
« on: March 02, 2007, 02:36:15 PM »
Nelson, I think you are probably correct.  Dark Shadows would come-in third.

If Taeylor meant to ask about television incarnations only, then we would want to include The Brady Bunch.  They had four primtime series, two made-for-tv movies, and a cartoon series.

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Has any other show had 3 incarnations...
« on: March 02, 2007, 02:53:12 AM »
Peyton Place had a primetime series, a daytime series, two feature films, two made-for-tv movies, two novels, and a release of the original movie sound-track.

Dark Shadows had a daytime series, a primetime series -- plus a second primetime pilot, two feature films, several sound-track releases, two comic book series, a newspaper comic series, three different series of novels, and numerous collector's items.

I would speculate that Dark Shadows comes-in second, only to Star Trek, in terms of the various incarnations.

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: 1991
« on: February 25, 2007, 12:01:30 AM »
Actually both featured portraits -- Barnabas and Josette were re-painted after the pilot (what became the first episode ot two of the series).  I'm not sure why they were re-painted.  I assume the originals from the pilot were either damaged or destroyed after the initial filming.  Wasn't there a prolonged period between the filming of the pilot, and the resumption of filming for the series?  I seem to remember nearly a year hiatus.

The differences between the two Josette portaits are the most extreme -- as already explained in the post above.  And, the second portait of Barnabas is nearly identical to the first -- although there ARE differences.  If you have the books which were published about the 1991 series, you can compare the two Barnabas portraits.

Does anyone have more details?

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Current Talk '06 II / Re: GH Pulls A DS
« on: December 11, 2006, 07:44:11 AM »
Interesting observation, but I believe DOOL actually beat 'em too it, with Josh Taylor.  He has played two long-term roles -- Chris Kosichek and Roman Brady.  And as you mentioned -- none of the other characters even noticed.

To be honest, I am sure many other soaps have done the same thing.  Although the Roman Brady recast is known as the most glaring re-use of an actor, there are other less infamous, yet similar situations on soaps.  AW -- Both Vic Hastings and Reginald Love were played by John Considine.  On DOOL, both Bonnie Lockhart and Adrienne Johnson were played by Judy Evans. 

Although I don't like the idea of casting actors in more than one role on a soap, it seems to be an increasingly popular trend.  Yuck.  But, it didn't begin, nor end with DS.

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Current Talk '06 II / Re: In parallel time, Collinwood is older
« on: November 04, 2006, 03:14:21 PM »
Good points, MagnusTrask.  I agree, it is fun to try to make sense of the continuity or lack of it on DS.  Fans of many TV shows enjoy this, and usually I am right there enjoying it myself as well.

I guess what I was trying to express is that this particular error in continuity was such a large one, that I would personally prefer to ignore it, rather than to re-write the entire Collinwood conttruction history.  Re-writing the history of the house opens up a train-load of additional continuity issues as well. For example, would it have even been possible (architechurally or technically) to build the "same" Collinwood 150 years earier than the house in real time?

Oh my, you're right.  I AM taking this all too seriously.  LOL.

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Current Talk '06 II / Re: In parallel time, Collinwood is older
« on: November 04, 2006, 02:54:41 AM »
Not trying to be offensive or disagreeable, folks.  But, the idea that the Collinwood mansion existed in the 1600s is simply rationalization --an admirable attempt to bring all of DS's continuity mistakes into reality.  Respectfully, I don't buy it.

I can accept most of the differences between "our" DS time and parallell time.  I accept them because, for the most part, they were written intelligently and intentionally.   Having said that -- I do not believe that ANYTHING GOES in parallel time.   There must be some level of consistancy  between "our" time and parellel time.  Otherwise, it all becomes silly.  If anyting goes in parallel time, then we  could have Mickey Mouse, Rush Limbaugh, and the Reverand Al Sharpton engaging in illicit behavior in the foyer of Collinwood, and none of us could complain, because -- ANYTHING GOES in parellel time.  Go AT IT, boys!!

Sorry, but I just can't rationalize the existance of the Collinwood mansion in the 1600s.   I'm not going to try to excuse something that was so obviously a mistake on the part of TPTB.  It was THEIR continuity error, and not our job to figure it out or to somehow rationalize it into official DS cannon.

Some have said the Old House set had already been destroyed when this scene was taped.  Others  indicate that is incorrect.  Either way, it doesn't matter.  In the mid-1600s, it's unlikely that even the Old House would have existed.  The set designer should have designed a small simple "hut-like" set for the 1600 scene.  The entire thing could have been buiilt for $250 (1970 money).  In other words, there is simply no excuse -- creatively, logically, or even fiscally, for this continuity error to have made it to broadcast.   No matter why TPTB may have chosen to use the Collinwood set for that scene -- there is no REAL excuse for it, and it shouldn't be rationalized.    It is really sort of sad to see long-time DS fans (like myself) thinking-up excuses for this lazy writing.   

Not trying to start an arguement -- but seems to me, using the Collinwood set for the 1600s scene (parellel time, or not) was a great big stupid continuity mistake in the part of TPTB.   It is most certainly not the resonsibility of the fans to "figure-out"  or rationalize.  Let's face it, TIIC screwed-up.


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Current Talk '06 II / Re: Worst DS Memorabilia?
« on: August 09, 2006, 02:02:28 AM »
Claude -- I remember the same catalog, and the same cryptic, "yes, this is the one."  And, that's all it took for me to spend two-week's salary (back around 1990) for the cane.  The day it arrived, I had a lump in my throat -- wow, I really had something important and real from DS. 

Today, the cane is near my front door in an umbrella-stand with a few other walking-sticks and umbrellas.   Once in a while, I notice visitors "eye" the cane with some vague recognition.  And a few of the actually comment on it. 

It's one of my favorite DS relic investments -- along with Josette's music box and my "Action Kits International" DS models.

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Current Talk '06 II / Re: Vampire bat
« on: July 27, 2006, 04:02:29 AM »
Interesting stuff, Gothick.  More to share?

I teach a couple of cultural diversity classes, and both have sections on Appalachian culture.  Although I find Appalachian culture fasinating (mostly because I am of Appalachian desent), I've never had much interest in Appalachian folklore.  But, you've sparked my interest!   I would love to hear more about "horror-related" (for lack of a better term) aspects of the folklore of that region.

No, it's not boring.  Obviously several people have enjoyed your post.  If you've got more, please share it.

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Current Talk '06 II / Re: Vampire bat
« on: July 25, 2006, 02:39:12 AM »
I've always believed it was a true vampire, summoned by Angelique in the form of a bat.  And I had hoped that that vampire (the true creator of Barnabas) would someday return to the storyline.  It would have been interesting to explore his history, where did he come from, and how did he get hooked up with Angelique??  And how interesting if he were actually "younger" than Barnabas -- I mean Frid/Barnabas in his forties, while the "other" vampire might have been quite young, perhaps in his early twenties. 

What if this vampire still existed in 1970?  I'd have loved it, if the series had explored the relationship between Barnabas and his "vampire father."   He'd have been so much "older" than Barnabas, but in the body of a younger man.  And, he'd have so much to teach Barnabas.   And his history, of course, would have been completely different than that of Barnabas -- another story to tell.

This character/actor could have been the next Quentin -- another "insider" to carry the story forward in 1970, rather than the constant time-travel.    I enjoyed most of the time-travel on DS, but it got to the point that EVERY storyline depended upon time-travel.   It all became far too predictable. The writers should have been more creative, and allowed more action to take place in the "present,"  after the 1897 story.   Exploring the vampire who created Barnabas might have been interesting.

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Current Talk '06 II / Re: DS Revival Series -- Sigh
« on: July 12, 2006, 03:02:53 AM »
Quote from: ShadowsAtlanta
did anyone else think Barnabas looked a bit cartoonish in his makeup toward the end?  Kinda like a Saturday Night Live version of Dracula?

I agree, ShadowsAtlanta.  I never liked Barnabas's "vampire make-up"  I thought it looked terrible and was unnecessary.  Red eyes and fangs, I can deal with -- but I never really have enjoyed the recent trend for vampires to change their appearance just before they attack someone.

A good actor can change his/her own expression and attitude, and with the addition of fangs, can scare the Hell out of viewers.  All the extra make-up is silly.  Can you imagine Jonathan Frid being painted all white, everytime he bared his fangs?

Everytime I see Ben Cross in a scene with all that make-up, I just cringe.  I don't mind a little camp on DS, but I hate it when the show does something that will make people laugh at it.

I did really enjoy the Revival series, but Ben Cross in that white make-up -- YUCK!

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Current Talk '06 II / DS 2004 script versus filmed pilot
« on: July 11, 2006, 02:43:25 PM »
The DS 2004 script (dated 1/19/04 Draft) occasionally for sale on Ebay contains elements and characters which I understand were not included in the final filmed pilot.

Does anyone know specifically what details were altered between this draft script and the final pilot?

Has anyone both read the draft scrpt AND seen the actual pilot?  I'd enjoy hearing how the script was changed for filming.  Thanks

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Current Talk '06 II / Re: DS Revival Series -- Sigh
« on: July 11, 2006, 02:38:14 PM »
Question and speculation regarding the revival series --

[spoiler]Since both Professor Woodard and Joe Haskel were killed-off during the first season, doesn't it seem strange to have the show continue without those two important characters?  Do you think TPTB had plans to "replace" them in some way?  Perhaps with another professor (Stokes?), and another hunk/good-guy to replace Joe?

I'd love to hear your speculation.

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Polls Archive / Re: 1897 arch villains
« on: July 02, 2006, 01:37:14 AM »
And better-yet Buzz, [spoiler]when his decayed body was finally found in 1968, no one had even heard of him.  Everyone assumed the body belonged to someone else -- Quentin.

I think that is the ultimate insult to the sleazy Gregory Trask -- he was forgotten in history and his body was misidentified.  How mortifying for the ego-maniac.[/spoiler]
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