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Interesting comments ... glad you liked the ending upon re-viewing the movie, barnabasjr ...

The short story and Dan Curtis's filmed version are definitely two different entities.  I read the story only much later, so I wasn't in the position of seeing a favorite story completely changed in the film version.  However, the TV movie really only used the story as a basis for a more expansive story, and in so doing created a separate and distinct creative work, clearly inspired by (and giving credit to) Jack Finney.

I felt that reincarnation was an integral aspect to Dan Curtis' version, since it became increasingly clear from the moment that Lizzie met Col. Caleb Denby that Scottie in the present not only was a dead ringer for Denby but was also somehow connected with him (as Lizzie recognizes).  (And there were subtle hints early on, such as items in Scottie's loft showing he was a Civil War buff.)

I didn't find the ending overly sweet or sentimental ... the idea of reincarnation, rather, brought about a happy ending, but the pain of loss that had been experienced earlier is not necessarily wiped out by a charming - albeit extraordinary - resolution.

-Vlad

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Correction:  I'm not sure about buy.com - the company I meant to say was overstock.com (where I found a DVD that no one else had).

Hallmark's website still shows "The Love Letter" as available, but it was rather difficult to find there, so I'll copy the URL :

The Love Letter (DVD) from Hallmark.com

It is a bit pricey.  The lead actors are Campbell Scott and Jennifer Jason Leigh.  Academy Award-winner Estelle Parsons plays Campbell Scott's mother.  Music by Bob Cobert.

- Vlad

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I would be curious to know why you didn't like the ending, barnabasjr!  The ending does remind me somewhat of the "ABC Movie of the Week" types of endings, where there's an element of surprise.  In this case, there's the theme of reincarnation.

Retzev:  I was about to write, "Glad to hear that you can still get the DVD from deepdiscount ....  Just as a caution, the movie really isn't like DS at all in terms of atmosphere, etc., although it does share the similar themes mentioned above."

Actually I wrote that.  Then I clicked on your link, and the movie you found is for a different movie titled "The Love Letter" - not the Dan Curtis TV movie!  Having checked amazon, also, it does appear that this is no longer available new ... but you might want to check around.  Buy.com and ccvideo.com have both had DVDs or VHS that I was looking for that had gone out of stock elsewhere.  Or mayble Hallmark.com still has it.

-Vlad

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It was disappointing to hear that the DVD of Dan Curtis' "The Love Letter" has been allowed to go out of print by Hallmark.  This was actually one of Hallmark's more interesting (less bland) productions.  The acting, including the supporting actors, was very good, and the scenic locations were picturesque.  "The Love Letter" was based on a short story of the same name by Jack Finney, originally published in the "Saturday Evening Post" in 1959.

The movie shared one of DS's notable themes: love that transcends time - with a suggestion of reincarnation at the end (which apparently confused some Hallmark viewers).

Another DS motif, which David referred to above, was the exchange of letters across time by use of the secret drawer of an old desk.

- Vlad



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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Is there an update on the ds movies?
« on: July 07, 2007, 06:55:33 AM »
I believe that was the plan.  :(  But let's hope the plan changes...

Wouldn't it be more convenient, as well as cost-saving to the consumer, to have the two movies on a flipper disc?  Midnite Madness has done a fantastic job with restoring prints of Roger Corman's Edgar Allan Poe movies, Vampire Lovers, and Who Slew Auntie Roo ... all of these were flipper discs, some with director's audio commentary.

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Please ignore my previous post - my apologies!  As often happens when I'm in a hurry, I wasn't reading my order page correctly at deepdiscount.com.  I was expecting the subtotals in the right-hand column to show the additional 20 percent savings, but that only shows up at the bottom; the subtotal prices for each item don't change after entering the promotional code.  I've e-mailed deepdiscount explaining my confusion (good thing I was nice in my first message, since it was my mistake).



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I want to place an order too, and received a promotional code by e-mail (it's one of those mentioned above).

However, after typing in the promotional code and clicking "APPLY," it does nothing to change the price.  A "promotional discount" is shown, but it's the same price as what's listed on the website normally (for example, approximately $43 for DS sets).  There's no additional discount.

I've e-mailed deepdiscount's customer service, and it says to wait up to 48 hours for a reply.

If anyone else knows what's up, please let me know!

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: How Did DS Influence Your Life?
« on: June 01, 2007, 05:44:06 AM »
I thought I was the only one who couldn't watch the show because of the violence (rather than the more common "religious" objections ...).  Fortunately, my mom didn't have any concerns about the supernatural elements, although the effect was the same.  Banning the show (for whatever reason) probably intensified the desire to see it, which sort of defeats the purpose ...

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a blatant cross between Forever Knight and Angel

Nice choice of words, MB ...  "blatant cross" ... and speaking of of "Forever Knight" and the word "cross," I ran into someone today with the last name of "Lecroix" (lots of French-Canadian heritage in this town), and I did think of "Forever Knight" for an instant ...

Interesting how this pumped up "Nick Knight" sleeps shirtless in his coffin ... from the preview, this "vampire" doesn't delivery in the spooky/eerie category like J Frid did.



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Current Talk '07 I / Re: How Did DS Influence Your Life?
« on: May 28, 2007, 05:57:21 AM »
I began writing a response to this post a long time ago, but the more I thought about the question the more involved my thoughts became.  I had actually been thinking about this very question before the thread first appeared.

The responses here are amazingly varied and interesting.  In my case, the influence of DS has meant finding correspondences between things on the show and events or places in my life.

After initially seeing DS at scattered times while in elementary school in the 1970s, it later dropped from my memory.  Occasionally when some reference called the program to mind, I felt a sense of excitement combined with a sense of loss for something from the past that was gone forever.  While attending graduate school in California in the mid-1980s, I happened upon several late-night broadcasts on a PBS station, which were sadly short lived.  They were episodes from the Leviathan period, and I dimly recalled having seen some of that storyline as a child.  This was the first time since childhood when I had really thought of Dark Shadows, but the influence quickly evaporated when PBS stopped showing it.

More recently, I was able to view the entire series thanks to the SciFi channel, and its importance in my life has increased.  Viewing the series as an adult, I now saw correspondences from my childhood that I hadn't considered at the time I lived them.  These were things such as a mansion we had visited during childhood, complete with an old adjoining cemetery, along a rugged, rocky lake shore, yet I don't recall ever thinking of that in terms of DS at the time.  I don't remember it being at all spooky, but now looking back I think of this location as my version of Collinwood and Eagle Hill cemetery.  My aunt lived in a Victorian era house nearby, but I didn't really appreciate the Victorian design or architecture at the time; yet now I look back and think of this memory in terms of the 1897 storyline.  We had a grandfather clock at home, but it is only now as an adult that I see these things through a Dark Shadows lens.  Collinwood was another world when I was growing up completely unlike the ordinary world I inhabited.  So how can I look back now and find similarities between my life and Dark Shadows?  I suppose it's a combination of escapism and a nostalgic imagination.

On my walks in the bigger city where I lived only a few years ago I was always finding houses that reminded me of those on the show, including one that I would describe as Jeffersonian that I always thought of as the Old House, another one that I imagined as Angelique's home during the Leviathan period, and a mansion that looked very much like Collinwood where I almost rented a room in the carriage house.

During the past year while living again in the town where I grew up, I've imagined similarities between the town and Collinsport.  Touring some other old towns with another aunt, she told me about the old newspaper office she had visited and read many of the town's newspapers from the turn of the previous century.  They even let her take many of the newspapers home to read, with a promise to return them!  I immediately thought of the newspaper office in Collinsport where Barnabas and Julia sought information on more than one occasion.  My aunt also talked about visiting a few years back with a man in his 90s at a bakery where he had worked since the early 1900s, and he claimed to recall my maternal grandfather's parents who were immigrants there in the 1890s.  This reminded me of some of the elderly Collinsport residents such as the cemetery caretaker and the jeweler who had old records of dealings with the Collins family from earlier eras.  One of the original jewelers in town here now no doubt has records going back a century, at least I would have that sense from my memory of the store as a childhood, and how ancient the store was even then.  To step into the store is to walk into the past.

My interest in the past and in family history are something I share with Barnabas and other Collins family members.  This was not an influence that came from watching Dark Shadows but something I was always fascinated with as far back as I remember, instilled by things I heard from family members, along with old daguerreotype and photo albums of ancestors.  I was mesmerized by a tin type of my great-grandfather who died very young in 1897, the same year as a favorite DS storyline.  Digging into the past of my ancestors has been one of my major occupations over the past few years, and I've come across people and events that have occasionally called to mind the Gothic genre in general.  Some of the correspondences I can make with a movie that has touched a deep chord with me, "Eye of the Devil," seem almost uncanny (similarities with names, occupations, and locations).  Not long ago I found a record in Latin of an old ancestor known as "M_______us Lupus."  My heart almost stopped when I stumbled on that, because I seriously entertained the notion that this ancestor might have been thought to have been a werewolf; later I realized this was simply the Latin form of his surname, which was Wolf.  Only a few years ago, when looking at the Collins family tree in one of the Pomegranate Press books, I was impressed with a family lineage known into the 1600s, which seemed the unfathomably distant past.  Little did I realize that I would be able to research to that point, and earlier, in my own ancestry.

These are many of the parallels I draw now as an adult between my life and Dark Shadows; in making these parallels, I see how DS has influenced me.


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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Collinwood floor plans
« on: March 22, 2007, 04:35:19 AM »
I remember seeing the book in a bookstore but didn't remember that all those other shows were in it, too.  It's funny to learn that there was a floor plan for "I Love Lucy" in that book, because that's the other show I remember drawing a floor plan for.  Now that I think about it, I believe I drew plans for the "Dick Van Dyke" and "Brady Bunch" houses, too.

Let's see, there were a lot of great houses and buildings on DS that it would be great to see floor plans for.  Not to mention a map of Collinwood, Eagle Hill Cemetery, etc.

Just a few places off the top of my head from the early part of the show:

The Collinsport Inn
The Evans Cottage
The Old House
Collinwood
Matthew Morgan's cottage
Dr Lang's House

And from later storylines:

1897:
The Old Mill (Petofi's home)

Leviathan:
The Antique Shop (Leviathan)
Angelique and Schuyler Rumsom's home

1840:
Rose Cottage
Flora Collins' home

Any other favorites?

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Barnabas began humanizing through his interactions with his extended family, and with his self-acknowledgement that he didn't want to be what he had become through Angelique's curse.  Julia gave him this glimmer of hope that he didn't have to be a killer.  I think Barnabas (through Frid's brilliant portrayal) discovered that his conscience had not been entirely eradicated by his vampirism.

I always had a sense of unease with regard to Vicki and Carolyn, since I felt that their knowledge of Barnabas remained buried deep in their subconscious minds.

-Vlad


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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Collinwood floor plans
« on: March 21, 2007, 04:05:23 AM »
Gives you an appreciation for what the actors accomplished ...

What I would like to see is a book (Pomegranate Press, are you listening?) of floor plans for Collinwood, the Old House, and all of the other houses on DS - I mean, the houses as we were meant to visualize them - not floor plans of the studio space (though those were great to see) and not floor plans of the real-life buildings (like "Seaview Terrace").  I think there was such a book for "Bewitched" published a few years back.  I used to draw my own floorplans for "Bewitched" and other shows as a kid, though I never tried DS.

I never liked the architectural design for the Old House though in that when you walked through the front door you apparently saw the door to the cellar with its barred windows straight ahead!



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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Art Wallace's The House ...
« on: March 21, 2007, 03:55:54 AM »
I would give anything to read it!  Perhaps we could send a polite note to Pomegranate Press expressing interest in seeing the script published.

I understand that the script was performed at one of the recent festivals by the DS actors in attendance.  ProfStokes gave a good, detailed description of the event, summarizing the script, on the forum.





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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Yet another warlock's head in a box
« on: March 09, 2007, 09:43:13 PM »
Severed heads that have continue to live or have supernatural powers figure in several world mythologies.  I remember looking into that a couple of years ago and discussing it here.

Personally, I didn't see "The Thing That Wouldn't Die" (or whatever it's called) as a direct inspiration for the Judah Zachary head.  I hadn't heard about the movie "The Skull," but would love to see it.

Since these living heads tend to occur in myths, movies, stories, etc., it seems to me that the concept may be tapping into some sort of archetype or primitive fear that has always existed in humankind.

It would be nice to find a direct inspiration for Judah Zachary, but my hunch is that there isn't any one single source for the storyline.  I think the DS writers may have drawn on various strands of this concept and then created something unique and very effective for the 1840 storyline.

 ;D