Okie dokie, after avoiding this thread and other sites with potential spoilers for a few days, I finally saw the movie today. I just read all of your thoughts and was interested to see all of your views.
As for myself, I absolutely LOVED it. I didn't expect to- as I mentioned in the other thread I'd been starting to get rather pessimistic these last few days. But I now wonder what I was worried about- I shouldn't let reviews and other people's remarks get into my head like that! But all in all, I probably loved the movie more than any here, with the possible exception of Taeylor
Okay, so of course I do actually have some criticisms, so let me get those out of the way first. As with many of you, I wished there had been a bit more of a backstory and buildup to Barnabas and Angelique's relationship. As Prof. Stokes or someone mentioned- maybe some kind of montage of them kissing a bunch of times or something. At the very least, when you think about the OS, we never actually *see* their backstory, but there is a conversation about it, and it's heavily implied that they'd definitely had their fun. Here in the film, the conversation is far too brief. As with many of you, I also wish there could've been more to Carolyn's secret before this sudden left-field reveal. Someone did point out a few hints, which I admit I didn't really notice during the film. I knew from Chloe's interviews that she had a secret, so that was the only reason I wasn't totally shocked by it, and I did see her backing away into the house and closing the front door, so I knew she was up to something, but I guess I wish it could've had at least a little more elaboration or foreboding. And lastly, I agree that not enough was done with Roger's character. Even if he was relegated to mostly standing around being snarky, I wished he could've at least had a bit more screen time doing that very thing.
Oh, and I guess one more lastly, though it's more of a joke to myself than anything, I have always told people how I absolutely hated the scene in the Indy 2 movie where they rip the guy's beating heart out, and when I saw Angelique touching her chest like that, I had a feeling that that was what was going to happen-- ewwww
But it actually wasn't that bad, it was just that the thought of it kinda made me laugh because it reminded me of that scene I hate so much. For that matter, it reminded me of Pirates 3, too, because there is a lot of time spent on a beating heart that they're all trying to stab, and I wonder if that was in any way intentional.
Okay, now on to the things I liked. I had absolutely no problem with the tone of the film. For me, this was not a comedy. It was not a spoof or a parody, and I don't feel that it in any way tarnished the reputation of the OS. I do think that the trailers should've been truer to the real tone- not to take out the comedy entirely, but just not to overdo it the way they did. I LOVED the reveal of Magtoria! My only teensy tiny nitpick with that is that she's rehearsing introducing herself, starts to say Maggie and then sees a poster that makes her change her name... but what had she said her name was when she answered the ad?? I mean, didn't she have to give a name?? So, maybe she'd seen a poster like that before and already decided on the alias, and looking up at it only reminded her of it, but for me it was something that brought me out of the film for a moment. But otherwise, I had no problem with the idea that the character was not a carbon copy of either the Maggie or the Victoria that we know from the OS. And Bella was great! I really had no problem with Helena's Dr. Hoffman. I'd heard in the very beginnings of the development of this film that it was going to be a small role, so I wasn't expecting her to have a huge amount of screentime, and I found it just right. I loved the reveal of what she was up to- I didn't expect it and I felt that it fit very well into the story, and it provided a good justification for Barnabas' actions, which I already guessed because of the film score's track titles. I was not as turned off by some at Julia's little "act". Grayson Hall might never have done that but to my thinking, she probably would've wanted to. One little point that probably won't make a difference to any of you, but that came to my mind, is that there is a similar scene with Mary Steenburgen in What's Eating Gilbert Grape, for a similar purpose, and I can't help but wonder if there was any possibility that was more than a coincidence. In both cases, though, the intent was clearly manipulation, and I am fine with that as a plot point.
I loved both Chloe's and Gully's portrayals- wished that both of them had more screen time. Jackie Earle Haley was great in a small role, and I suppose some might say he was too buffoonish but I felt it struck a good balance. I also thought Mrs. Johnson was a hoot, and I was glad that that wasn't overdone.
Unlike most of you, I loved Eva's performance. While as I said above (and many of you have said), I wish there'd been a bit more to flesh out her motivations, but I found her to be a delicious and seductive villain. Some thought the ending was too much but for me, the buildup to the final confrontation and then its execution were just right. I wasn't sure at first what to make of the "facade cracking", but I guess I just went with it, and it felt all in character to me. For me, her offering Barnabas her heart (though as I just mentioned above I have a little trouble with that image itself) was her final pleading gesture that revealed her true feelings and vulnerability in the end. And he would not take it. Maybe that's corny or too obvious to some of you, but I liked it.
Well, unlike most of my thoughts above, which I think I was somewhat open-minded about, I admit that I'm heavily biased when it comes to Mr. Depp, so it should come as no surprise to any of you that I thought he was fantastic as Barnabas. I would have preferred if he'd taken away one or two of the comments where even he should've realized that the family wasn't supposed to know he was from another century. But other than a few such nitpicks, I didn't feel that his reactions made him out a fool. But that's just me. I felt that he perfectly conveyed the pain and the torture of what he'd been through, and I also felt he conveyed his love and loyalty to his family. Even with Roger, when you think he's going to do something terrible to him, that something terrible turns out to be that he gets a lot of money to leave; while to Barnabas that would be a terrible fate, for Roger it's a godsend, lol! (Poor David, though!) Anyway, from my perspective, I think that he did honor to the character of Barnabas Collins.