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Title: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: Para L. Time on October 11, 2006, 09:08:44 AM
I have become an absolute Dark Shadows freak, always trying to work Dark Shadows references into everyday conversation, probably annoying and confusing everyone around me! In addition to this, I also greatly enjoy writing and reading DS fan fiction. One of my favorite stories I've read has Sam from Quantum Leap leaping into the body of Barnabas Collins, circa 1967, and solving everything from the murder of Paul Stoddard to Barnabas's vampire curse!! I wished that writer had Sam solve the Quentin's ghost problem too.

Another one I enjoyed was one where a young Elizabeth Collins discovers Beth Chavez's dead baby in a shoe box under her father's bed!! [hall2_lipsrsealed]

And I am sure most of the Cousins on here would LOVE the one I read about Victoria and Jeff Clark happily married in the year 1968!

Who else loves/hates the fan fic?
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: CastleBee on October 11, 2006, 01:39:22 PM
I'm not the best judge of what's good or not so good because I've read very little fan fiction.  Your post has made me think that I should check out more of it though.  A few years ago, I downloaded some stories about Willie involving him finding true love  [hall2_kiss] via time travel etc.  It was a fun read as I recall.  [hall2_smiley]
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: Jackie on October 11, 2006, 05:49:38 PM
I have become an absolute Dark Shadows freak, always trying to work Dark Shadows references into everyday conversation, probably annoying and confusing everyone around me! In addition to this, I also greatly enjoy writing and reading DS fan fiction. One of my favorite stories I've read has Sam from Quantum Leap leaping into the body of Barnabas Collins, circa 1967, and solving everything from the murder of Paul Stoddard to Barnabas's vampire curse!! I wished that writer had Sam solve the Quentin's ghost problem too.

Another one I enjoyed was one where a young Elizabeth Collins discovers Beth Chavez's dead baby in a shoe box under her father's bed!! [hall2_lipsrsealed]

And I am sure most of the Cousins on here would LOVE the one I read about Victoria and Jeff Clark happily married in the year 1968!

Who else loves/hates the fan fic?

I read that story on http://www.fanfiction.net  I agree, it was WONDERFUL!!  Actually, I didn't want the story to end.  I've read other great stories, one of my favorites is the series called "Windmills".  It's being posted on two Yahoo groups and they are simply marvelous!  Many people are trying their hand at writing, including me, and I've read stories that are written very well and not so well.  I appreciate people trying their hand at creativity so I don't fault anyone for that.  The ones written well do flow much better and entice me to return to their stories over and over.

I do believe fan fic is very subjective.  If the stories don't content certain characters, people who favorite certain ones will not read them.
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: CastleBee on October 11, 2006, 06:21:35 PM
I appreciate people trying their hand at creativity so I don't fault anyone for that.  The ones written well do flow much better and entice me to return to their stories over and over.

Me too - I say if you enjoy it and have always wanted to try it then by all means do!

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I do believe fan fic is very subjective.  If the stories don't content certain characters, people who favorite certain ones will not read them.

I think that's why I think of most of it as Fantasy Fulfillment Fiction - not that there's anything WRONG with that!!!  [hall2_wink]
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on October 11, 2006, 07:12:09 PM
I think of most of it as Fantasy Fulfillment Fiction

Gee, ya think?  [hall2_grin]

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not that there's anything WRONG with that!!!

Well, so long as the characters involved behave with the same personalities and motivations as they displayed on the series. Giving characters personality transplants to suit ones own ends is often a big mistake in any sort of fanfic. And one doesn't even need to go to fanfic to see it.  [hall2_wink]

All that being said, though, there is some wonderful DS fanfic out there written by some very perceptive DS fans.  [thumb]
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: BuzzH on October 11, 2006, 07:28:12 PM
Well, so long as the characters involved behave with the same personalities and motivations as they displayed on the series. Giving characters personality transplants to suit ones own ends is often a big mistake in any sort of fanfic. And one doesn't even need to go to fanfic to see it. 

Yep, totally agree.  I figure ppl are free to write pretty much whatever they want so long as there's SOME semblance of who the characters were on the show.  We did a Round Robin once on the Sci-Fi boards where one of the 'writer's' decided to make Barnabas gay and Willie was his pimp who brought him young boys to 'enjoy', then kill!  Interesting concept to be sure, but NOT what fans would expect to see of these two characters.  Nothing wrong w/a gay Barnabas mind you, but I think it was pretty well established that he enjoyed woman, so his being gay in this story went against what was established about him on the show.  I had the chapter after this person and decided to turn his chapter into a wild dream that an aged Julia had!   [hall2_grin]

Speaking of the Christmas Round Robin, Mark, are we doing that this year?   [hall_wink]
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: Jackie on October 11, 2006, 08:00:12 PM
Personally I prefer the DS characters to stay "in" character in fanfic.  I cringe when I read about Barnabas doing or saying something that he'd never do/say on the series.  A character can change his/her "stripes" I suppose but make it believable, say after the series was over.

 [bonny_hand]
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: CastleBee on October 11, 2006, 08:14:45 PM
I think of most of it as Fantasy Fulfillment Fiction

Gee, ya think?  [hall2_grin]

YUP... [a_monkey] ...doh!
You have just uncovered one of my greatest talents - stating the obvious. [silly] And I was trying so hard not to be boastful!

not that there's anything WRONG with that!!!

Well, so long as the characters involved behave with the same personalities and motivations as they displayed on the series. Giving characters personality transplants to suit ones own ends is often a big mistake in any sort of fanfic. And one doesn't even need to go to fanfic to see it.  [hall2_wink]
I figure ppl are free to write pretty much whatever they want so long as there's SOME semblance of who the characters were on the show.

Gotta agree with that.  If the writer would want to change an established character very much it wouldn't make any real sense to be doing Fan Fic in the first place.

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We did a Round Robin once on the Sci-Fi boards where one of the 'writer's' decided to make Barnabas gay and Willie was his pimp who brought him young boys to 'enjoy', then kill!  Interesting concept to be sure, but NOT what fans would expect to see of these two characters.  Nothing wrong w/a gay Barnabas mind you, but I think it was pretty well established that he enjoyed woman, so his being gay in this story went against what was established about him on the show.

I could see this as being acceptable as an additional character - but, a bit too radical a change for one of the most well known characters.
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: Raineypark on October 11, 2006, 10:58:13 PM
If you're writing a DS novel in hopes of actually having it published and making a profit from it, then by all means, you'd better keep the characters the way they were originally written, and don't let the plot stray too far from the Collinwood we all know and love.

But if you're writing for the love of it, because you have a story idea you just HAVE to explore, and characters you're dying to bring to life, then write what you damn well please

Personally, if I was to write such a novel, the opening scene would be the one where the Collins family is burying Barnabas at the crossroads of some major intersection in Maine, accompanied by the Rite of Exorcism being intoned by a Cardinal, at the very least.

But that's just me.  [vryevl]
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on October 12, 2006, 12:53:21 AM
Personally, if I was to write such a novel, the opening scene would be the one where the Collins family is burying Barnabas at the crossroads of some major intersection in Maine, accompanied by the Rite of Exorcism being intoned by a Cardinal, at the very least.

 [lghy]
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: ProfStokes on October 12, 2006, 05:08:53 AM
I'm not much for fan fiction since I'm leery of anything that isn't show canon (e.g. anything that didn't air on the show) but when I read Luciaphil's stories (on the old Sci-Fi board and as part of the DS Virtual Series, http://www.dsvirtualseries.com/) I was blown away.  The DSVS writers know the characters better than the actual show writers!  I highly recommend the site to people interested in DS fan fiction.

ProfStokes
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: Angelique Wins on October 12, 2006, 06:58:49 AM
YES!!!!!
A place for a blatant and shameless commercial
for my DS Fan Fiction!

 [read] [book_study] [book2] [read3]

"With books, you don't have to wait for a commercial
[book1]
to go get a root beer." Snoopy
 [beer]  [happy1]

[angl]
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: BuzzH on October 12, 2006, 03:07:34 PM
YES!!!!!  A place for a blatant and shameless commercial for my DS Fan Fiction! 

I too will shamelessly promote my books too!   [hall2_grin]  I have a volume of short stories on the various characters and of course, my NEW Bramwell/Catherine/Civil War novel!    [hall_wink]
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: D_Friedlander on October 13, 2006, 04:19:14 AM
I too will shamelessly promote my books too!   [hall2_grin]  I have a volume of short stories on the various characters and of course, my NEW Bramwell/Catherine/Civil War novel!    [hall_wink]

Yes, I highly recommend this.... You will learn much about the Civil War for starters.  Plus a lot of expostion that helps to explain the  PT 1841 story and relationships.  And keep a box of tissues handy--- it's a "multi-hanky weeper."

I have the "World of DS" fanzine the Quantum Leap/ DS X-over appeared in.  The late Dave Brown wrote a fine X-over of DS and The Fugitive (original version) which rang true to both programs--- this was also in WoDS.

I have tended to favor the Karlenzines, which obviously covers every single aspect one can imagine about Willie Loomis and the other JK DS characters (and even once included an amusing Cagney&Lacey story about "good old "Harv".)

However, as long as a story or novel appears, IMO, to be well-written, I'll give it a whirl, no matter which character is in the spotlight. though complex multi-character plotlines are always appreciated.  (I've endeavored to include as many original characters as well as my own in my fan-fiction, with vital actions for all.)
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: BuzzH on October 13, 2006, 02:54:35 PM
Yes, I highly recommend this.... You will learn much about the Civil War for starters.  Plus a lot of expostion that helps to explain the  PT 1841 story and relationships.  And keep a box of tissues handy--- it's a "multi-hanky weeper."

Thanks DF!  Glad you enjoyed it.  It was a labor of love believe me.  Actually, it was a labor of loves, plural, as in addition to loving 1841 PT, I'm a huge CW buff as well.  ;)

I have tended to favor the Karlenzines, which obviously covers every single aspect one can imagine about Willie Loomis and the other JK DS characters (and even once included an amusing Cagney&Lacey story about "good old "Harv".) 

I bought Karlenzine #1 back in the 90's and it was a GREAT zine!  Karlenfan, not surprisingly, owns them ALL!  ;)  In fact, this year at the Fest she told Mary Overstreet, the KZ creator, "Mary, you're KILLING me!  You KNOW I've got to own them all!" and whipped out her wallet.  ;)
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: Brandon Collins on October 14, 2006, 05:09:44 PM
Since others are plugging, I will plug away too!

I haven't written much DS fanfiction. I wrote a little diddy called Murder in Collinsport that upon re-reading it really not too bad, but given the time that has passed (like 3 or 4 years) since I wrote that and now, (I've become much better, at least I like to believe that) it really lets me know how far I've come. So if you do read that, please please please please ignore the plot jumps, the passages that have run-ons and the various other mistakes that occur here.

But what I think is really something for me to marvel at is an extremely little diddy I wrote called "Firefly Dreams." It's about Vicki and Burke, and a lot of people have told me it's pretty good. I wrote it as a result of a writing challenge on some DS group or other, so check it out on FanFiction.net. If anyone goes to read it let me know what you think, good, bad, or ugly. ----> [female_skull]
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: Midnite on October 14, 2006, 05:25:50 PM
Quote from: Brandon Collins
But what I think is really something for me to marvel at is an extremely little diddy I wrote called "Firefly Dreams." It's about Vicki and Burke, and a lot of people have told me it's pretty good. I wrote it as a result of a writing challenge on some DS group or other, so check it out on FanFiction.net. If anyone goes to read it let me know what you think, good, bad, or ugly.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1961112/1/

Very sweet.  I hope you continue writing.   [hall2_cheesy]
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: Brandon Collins on October 15, 2006, 04:08:12 AM
Very sweet.  I hope you continue writing.   [hall2_cheesy]

Thanks! I'm glad you liked it! That was the story in itself, with subsequent chapters being nonexistant and staying that way. I have been itching to write a fic here lately since I have re-entered the world of DS, so to speak, after not focusing on it for a number of years. But right now with college and writing a book of short stories that only God knows when will be published, I haven't found the time!

Anyway, rants and run-ons aside, thanks for reading it.  [skull_winks]
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: Zahir on October 15, 2006, 06:14:04 AM
There was a long fanfic I read some years (and three computers) ago.  In essence it followed the story of Barnabas, Julia, Quentin, etc. from when they returned to 1970.  Written in the style of the "Episode Guides" it included cast lists--and a visit to Parallel Time 1897 where the villain was 'played' by Alexandre Molke.

Never been able to find it again, alas.
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: Josette on October 15, 2006, 07:02:59 AM
The one that thrilled me the most was "Dark Redempton" by Stephen Rex Goode.  He used to post on the old SciFi BB that Chapter 1 was up, then Chapter 2 etc.  In those days I was going to the library every day to keep up with things and that was too much to consider reading.  In mid-October 1997 I got a new computer at home and finally had the Internet.  So, at that point I started reading it.  I finally caught up to where he had last posted and then had to wait for each chapter.  I used to send comments to him and proofreading errors.

By now I don't remember too much of it, just the gist of it, but it was a very intricate, involved story with all of the regular characters and a whole cast of new ones interacting in amazing ways.  He incorporated the descendants of the Rose Cottage family, so there was this whole additional cast of Collins characters and some other new people along with all of the familiar people.  I've always wished someone else on the boards would read it so I could get their reaction.  There was one scene in particular that I think would amaze and interest any DS fan.

Here's the URL - I hope someone tries it!

http://www.springsofwater.com/darkshad/dr/
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: D_Friedlander on October 16, 2006, 02:06:56 AM
There was a long fanfic I read some years (and three computers) ago.  In essence it followed the story of Barnabas, Julia, Quentin, etc. from when they returned to 1970.  Written in the style of the "Episode Guides" it included cast lists--and a visit to Parallel Time 1897 where the villain was 'played' by Alexandre Molke.

Never been able to find it again, alas.

Was it this one?   "Dark Shadows Returns:  Episode 1246 and Beyond"  by "Charles Delaware Troll"

http://members.aol.com/chasdtroll/mainp.html

This and "Dark Redemption" are among my favorites of the online DS fan-fics.
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: Zahir on October 16, 2006, 03:35:51 PM
Thank you, yes!  That was exactly the one I was thinking of!   [hall_grin]
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: Nancy on October 18, 2006, 12:33:36 AM
A friend of mine runs a fanfic group devoted to stories about Barnabas and/or Bramwell.  The list is always looking for "new blood."  It is an adult list.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BarnabasBramwellfanfic

Nancy
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: Jackie on October 24, 2006, 06:47:51 PM
A friend of mine runs a fanfic group devoted to stories about Barnabas and/or Bramwell.  The list is always looking for "new blood."  It is an adult list.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BarnabasBramwellfanfic

I'm reading one wonderful ongoing story there right now!  ;)
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: Julia99 on October 24, 2006, 09:35:44 PM
and of course Julia stories can be found on the Yahoo Julia list or www.juliahoffman.com

didn't i post this already . .maybe i dreamt it. .
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on October 24, 2006, 09:59:39 PM
didn't i post this already . .maybe i dreamt it. .

You didn't dream it. Or maybe you didn't only dream it. You actually posted it back on the 19th in this topic on Current Talk '05 I:

Who would have made an interesting love interest for Julia besides Barnabas?

 [hall2_wink]
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: Zahir on October 25, 2006, 02:51:21 AM
Something I've been tinkering with for a while, finally started to put it on the web.  If folks like, I'll continue...

http://www.geocities.com/zahir13/dark/dsi.html
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: Heather on October 25, 2006, 02:37:11 PM
If you're writing a DS novel in hopes of actually having it published and making a profit from it, then by all means, you'd better keep the characters the way they were originally written, and don't let the plot stray too far from the Collinwood we all know and love.
But if you're writing for the love of it, because you have a story idea you just HAVE to explore, and characters you're dying to bring to life, then write what you damn well please

Yup...
Well, I've found that creative writing is as much an outlet and at times stress reducer for me as my other artistic pursuits. When I look back on it, the creative process, regardless of what form it takes, has gotten me through some difficult times...
And personally, aside from being an unabashed and unapologetic B&J nut, I just cannot get enough of Julia fanfic {squeal}...especially since only bits and pieces were inferred about her background on the show, so its a neat area to explore. Some of my favorites include the adventures of a not so tight ass PT Julia, and a particularly well written prose about Julia and Liz coming to a discrete arrangement... >:D

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Personally, if I was to write such a novel, the opening scene would be the one where the Collins family is burying Barnabas at the crossroads of some major intersection in Maine, accompanied by the Rite of Exorcism being intoned by a Cardinal, at the very least.

LMAO....my first laugh all week. Thank you...  [hall2_kiss]
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: BuzzH on October 25, 2006, 02:46:59 PM
And personally, aside from being an unabashed and unapologetic B&J nut, I just cannot get enough of Julia fanfic {squeal}...especially since only bits and pieces were inferred about her background on the show, so its a neat area to explore.

Heather, have you ever read Tales of Hoffman?  It's a novel-like collection of short stories taking one from Julia's childhood to post DS where she's married to Barnabas and fawning over their college age son Ben.  Good reading!  ;)
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: Pansity on December 04, 2006, 01:53:16 AM
However, as long as a story or novel appears, IMO, to be well-written, I'll give it a whirl, no matter which character is in the spotlight. though complex multi-character plotlines are always appreciated.  (I've endeavored to include as many original characters as well as my own in my fan-fiction, with vital actions for all.)

Perfect way of putting it.  Personally, I have never understood -- in any fandom (and I have been involved in more than a half dozen since 1975) -- why someone would like a show enough to be involved in the fandom and read fanfiction (which used to mean buy fanzines), yet limit their reading material by only reading fanfic about certain topics or characters.

I like reading about the WORLD that DS creates, which includes all characters whether i like them or not.  Though, I must admit that I have a bit of Barnabas/Julia overload, as between all the copies of WODS I have and all the netfic I have read, the bulk of the stories tend to be B/J.

There are a LOT of underused characters out there, like Stokes.  I would LOVE to see some background stories about how he got involved with the paranormal in the first place.

Quentin is also a seriously underused character.  Someone knowledgeable in the occult wandering who knows where doing who knows what for 70 years  -- and during what is classed as one of the most volatile periods in history -- one would think that story ideas would abound.  But, aside from two or three sites with high quality well written stories, and some half written stuff that apparently was never finished there's nothing.  <Insert obligatory plug here>  Though I have had a novelette and a short novel, both about Quentin and Beth, accepted by Kathy Resch for publication.  The novel would probably appeal to some here.  Its a redo of "Quentin and Amanda go to Hell -- but Amanda is replaced by the EARLY incarnation of Beth.  Remember her, the one with the backbone who made Quentin back down more than once? The one who had her own "I don't understand!" lobotomy courtesy of the writers, and became a one note crying machine.
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: Pansity on December 04, 2006, 02:06:09 AM
Since others are plugging, I will plug away too!

I haven't written much DS fanfiction. I wrote a little diddy called Murder in Collinsport that upon re-reading it really not too bad, but given the time that has passed (like 3 or 4 years) since I wrote that and now, (I've become much better, at least I like to believe that) it really lets me know how far I've come. So if you do read that, please please please please ignore the plot jumps, the passages that have run-ons and the various other mistakes that occur here.

I remember reading your story and thought it was quite good for a beginner. But if you are now seeing things you are uncomfortable with, please remember that on the net your story is NOT set in stone.  You can pull up the file of your story, edit the things you don't like and repost it.

In the days before the internet <I know, when dinosaurs roamed the earth> the only outlets for fanfiction were called fanzines (you may have seen them mentioned here and there on the boards).  They are anthologies of fanfiction, alternately known as amateur press.  You submit as you would for a professional publication  and the works are edited to make them the best they can be in plot style, grammar etc. before anyone else sees them.  Why do I mention this?  Because since you posted so long ago, you have grown and matured as a writer, and now see things that got by you before.  So, do what a fanzine editor would do.  Take your manuscript and rework it to what you know it can be, and republish it.  That way, you won't feel the need to apologize when you give people the URL of your stories.
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: Heather on December 04, 2006, 03:15:37 AM
Heather, have you ever read Tales of Hoffman?  It's a novel-like collection of short stories taking one from Julia's childhood to post DS where she's married to Barnabas and fawning over their college age son Ben.  Good reading!  ;)

Yup...
I have purchased a number of fanzinzines in the past, both B&J centerd as well as ones focusing on the OTHER other characters featured on DS...I adore and treasure them all.

I suppose I was introduced to the world of fanfic on the net via the JuliaHoffman site (which I luv), But I have also found a wealth of top-notch VERY well written, well researched fanfiction written by some VERY talented individuals, comprised of a group of professional well rounded guys and gals on the aforementioned JuliaList. ;)

[santa_kiss]
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: bluedog on December 04, 2006, 04:01:18 AM
I've throughly enjoyed the fanfic posted on the various boards & websites.  And I think I've ordered everything Kathy Resh has.   I've tried my hand at a few and because of my fledging attempts at DS fanfic, I've joined a local chapter of RWA so I hope my writing improves.  It is a great stress reducer & I often find myself at work dreaming up new scenarios for our beloved DS characters.
Lynn
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: Brandon Collins on December 04, 2006, 05:52:48 AM
Thanks for the advice, Pansity.

I've often thought of editing my story, but it's rather long (to me at least) and the problem is finding the time to do editing. Maybe when summer comes it'll be a project I can take on, but unfortunately now, it's rather low on my list of things to do. And while editing it would give me something to resend out to most of the Yahoo Groups it's posted on, and even change it on FanFiction.net, I can't log in to my DS website from eons ago to change it. Oh well. I suppose 100 places to 1 is better than nothing.  [santa_grin]
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: MagnusTrask on December 05, 2006, 10:39:14 PM
Petofi through the 20th century too... and there are all the alternate events that happened in the years leading up to the now altered 1971, where ECS is alive but obviously knows Barnabas, Julia, and Eliot.
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: Pansity on December 07, 2006, 03:10:28 AM
Thanks for the advice, Pansity.

You're Welcome, Brandon.  Even if you don't have the time to change that story, you have the lessons you learned about what you  see wrong with it.  Since there's no real critiquing of fanfiction on the fanfic oriented groups, thats the only way authors are learning to improve their work that I can see.

I find that really sad; the fanfiction groups I am used to exchange notes on writing resources and function as writer's workshops so that everyone can learn how to make their work better. (And there's NO AUTHOR, whether professionally published or an author of fanfiction, who can't benefit and learn from a thoughtful critique of their work. This applies even to self critiques, though it's very hard to be objective about one's own work.)
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: Pansity on December 07, 2006, 03:21:18 AM
Petofi through the 20th century too... and there are all the alternate events that happened in the years leading up to the now altered 1971, where ECS is alive but obviously knows Barnabas, Julia, and Eliot.

Oh, Petofi alone is a wonderful font of story ideas.  I've only seen a few petofi stories, and, alas I am on my laptop and don;t have access to my bookmarks.  But there is an author who has posted (reprints from old WODS) some wonderful stories that have face offs between Petofi and Stokes.  I would guess that everyone here knows about fanfiction.net; this author's handle there is wilusa.

So many characters that we didn't find out about, and who would seem to have interesting backstories:  Gerard, Samantha and Quentin, Kitty Hampshire, Beth, Flora Collins -- the list just goes on and on.
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: MagnusTrask on December 07, 2006, 04:06:37 AM
Would writers/readers be willing to follow Quentin or Petofi out in the world somewhere, instead of just at Collinwood?

I'd love to do Petofi stories, but I don't know the historical detail etc. necessary to throw into his conversation.

How about PT Gerard, whom I keep forgetting exists, until he pops up briefly...?
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: Brandon Collins on December 07, 2006, 05:43:30 PM
I'm right there with you, Pansity! I think it would be good for writers to exchange critiques on each other's work. There's a group on AOL which is a writers group that does just this, not with FanFiction but with actual manuscripts that people want to have published. Alas, I've not been able to participate here lately, but hopefully once I go on break from school I'll be able to once again.

And in response to what Magnus said:

I think that there is a great fanbase out there for stories with Quentin (or anyone, really) in the world outside of Collinwood. A number of years ago I read a couple of stories that were all connected-- Like one story and then sequels-- by someone, whose name I can't for the life of me remember.

But, what I do remember about them is that they were VERY entertaining. I think I've read them on FanFiction.net as well as on some Yahoo Groups. I don't remember much about them except that they delt with Quentin being in Egypt and some sort of story there. Does anyone know the stories I'm talking about? I never finished reading the entire series, but I'd like to return to it when I get them time, because they were expertly written.
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: BuzzH on December 08, 2006, 04:12:13 PM
So many characters that we didn't find out about, and who would seem to have interesting backstories:  Gerard, Samantha and Quentin, Kitty Hampshire, Beth, Flora Collins -- the list just goes on and on.

And if one was interested in Bramwell and Catherine and their backstory and life AFTER the show ended, there's my book!   [santa_azn]
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: Heather on December 23, 2006, 03:49:02 PM
  Since there's no real critiquing of fanfiction on the fanfic oriented groups, thats the only way authors are learning to improve their work that I can see.
I find that really sad; the fanfiction groups I am used to exchange notes on writing resources and function as writer's workshops so that everyone can learn how to make their work better. (And there's NO AUTHOR, whether professionally published or an author of fanfiction, who can't benefit and learn from a thoughtful critique of their work. This applies even to self critiques, though it's very hard to be objective about one's own work.)

I know what you mean that certain boards accept any and all fanfiction, and many of it is either knocked down or praised whatever quality it is, but I don't agree that there is no real critiquing out there. It does exist on a few rare groups. Maybe I just lucked out, but I have found a group where people, fellow writers, ARE willing to take the time to critique and beta read each other's work before it's posted to a board...I know my writing (which is far from perfect - as i joke with friends, I am an artist, not a writer) has definitely improved because of my association with DS writing groups. The pointers and lessons I have learned from tough critiques have even helped with my college writing classes as well...
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: Jackie on December 23, 2006, 05:16:05 PM
I think that there is a great fanbase out there for stories with Quentin (or anyone, really) in the world outside of Collinwood. A number of years ago I read a couple of stories that were all connected-- Like one story and then sequels-- by someone, whose name I can't for the life of me remember.

But, what I do remember about them is that they were VERY entertaining. I think I've read them on FanFiction.net as well as on some Yahoo Groups. I don't remember much about them except that they delt with Quentin being in Egypt and some sort of story there. Does anyone know the stories I'm talking about? I never finished reading the entire series, but I'd like to return to it when I get them time, because they were expertly written.

That sounds like Scarlett's stories,  http://www.portraits-of-collinwood.net/fanfiction.html  "Whispers in the Wind" and "Moonstruck".
 [Chanukah9] [ski]
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: Pansity on January 22, 2007, 12:26:35 AM
I know what you mean that certain boards accept any and all fanfiction, and many of it is either knocked down or praised whatever quality it is, but I don't agree that there is no real critiquing out there. It does exist on a few rare groups. Maybe I just lucked out, but I have found a group where people, fellow writers, ARE willing to take the time to critique and beta read each other's work before it's posted to a board...I know my writing (which is far from perfect - as i joke with friends, I am an artist, not a writer) has definitely improved because of my association with DS writing groups. The pointers and lessons I have learned from tough critiques have even helped with my college writing classes as well...

Sorry for the delay in responding to you on this, but work has been eating my life the last few weeks.

In any case, thanks for reminding me of the exception to the rule. If the group you mention is the one I think it is,  you must mean the julia b & j group.  Thing is, I don't think of that group even in the same light as the other groups in that venue.  I'm very glad you found such a group, for all the reasons you yourself point out.  Given the sea change that's happened with the rise of net fiction and the decline in fanzines, where authors learnt  by being EDITED -- not just proofread -- its really the only way left for writers interested in turning out an interesting, readable product to learn how to make their work better.

I only wish that there were more groups like that one, catering to authors writing for characters other than Barnabas and Julia.  But, as has been mentioned,  most of the self-styled "fanfiction groups"  allow anything to be posted, no matter how incoherent plots, characterizations, etc. are.  And don't even get me started on the blatant historical or medical inaccuracies that are so basic that a five second google search could have eliminated them.
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: loril54 on January 22, 2007, 12:51:41 AM
I think the best Fan Fic out there is one's that sticks to the plot of the story and the sense on where the Charactors were going. I am a fan of the Julia list. It has some of the best writters. One the only bad fan fiction is where it is not true to the Charactors or it is never completed. You don't know what happens. Not in the same way as a 40's of 50's Movie.

Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: MagnusTrask on January 23, 2007, 02:46:29 AM
There's something to be said for including everybody.   Sometimes, that's a nice friendly aspect of fandom... everyone can participate, no matter what her/his level of talent is.    There should also be places, though, that hold you up to some kind of standard, so that you can learn and improve.   Actually, I've never before heard of any fan fiction venue, site, zine, whatever, that is concerned with that.

It seems a lot to ask of a fan website, considering that those posting can't move on from there, and make money and careers out of their material, and the editors don't get those rewards either.   I'm glad some are willing to do it.    If people learn, they can start writing non-fandom stories too, of course.
Title: Re: The Best and Worst of Fan Fic!
Post by: Uncle Roger on April 03, 2012, 07:01:23 AM
I enjoy fan fiction tremendously. It can go in so many different directions. Post 1971 stories. Stories that explain or resolve situations from the show. Stories that focus on characters that didn't get enough screen time. A good writer can make the most mundane characters and situations interesting.

Kathy Resch's serial The Collins Story is a fine example. Dale Clark's series of novels capture, explore and expand the feel of the series perfectly. Anyone here ever read Adriana Pena's The Collinsport Chronicles? She took some very odd twists--Maggie as a senator with a past history as a heroin addict--stands out for obvious reasons. It was also far from the usual take on DS but still made for very compelling reading.