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Title: quentin,david and amy
Post by: michael c on December 24, 2007, 05:30:53 PM
there is often a bit of misconception about who remembers the quentin hauntings and who doesn't.

there seems to be a theory that since barnabas prevents quentin from being killed in 1897 than his ghost never haunted collinwood in the present and thus only barnabas,julia and "we" the viewer recall these events.

however today's slideshow makes it very clear that in fact david and amy both remember the hauntings.several other people(liz comes to mind)do as well.

later on however it's never quite satisfactorily explained as to why everyone readily accepts quentin into the household and no longer equate him with the ghost that caused them so much grief. [santa_huh]
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: Gerard on December 24, 2007, 06:43:47 PM
I think it was just the result of sloppy writing.  That happened not uncommonly on our beloved show.

Gerard
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: MagnusTrask on December 25, 2007, 02:32:30 AM
Lydia guessed that Quentin may have been intended to be the hero of the Leviathans story... there's a good reason to have him in 1970.    Getting him into the house, that's harder.    Clearly he's solid and not a ghost, so they can't say otherwise.     There's a precedent with Barnabas saying he's his own descendant.
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: Lydia on December 25, 2007, 05:41:05 AM
If I remember correctly, when Barnabas went into parallel time, Quentin was not established at Collinwood, but he was by the time Barnabas came back.  That was about the time when some storyline developments started getting pretty sketchy, so it's easy to imagine the audience missing out on some good stuff with real-time Quentin while Barnabas was away saving parallel-time Quentin.
Title: Re: quentin, david and amy and ted and alice
Post by: MagnusTrask on December 25, 2007, 05:50:41 AM
Maybe that was when Petofi reappeared...!
Title: Re: quentin, david and amy and ted and alice and tim
Post by: Lydia on December 25, 2007, 06:06:38 AM
Maybe that was when Petofi reappeared...!
...which would be why we didn't see Tim Stokes until Barnabas had been in parallel time for several weeks: Thayer David was busy in real time.
Title: Re: quentin, david and amy and ted and alice and tim?
Post by: MagnusTrask on December 25, 2007, 07:27:10 AM
Maybe that was when Petofi reappeared...!
...which would be why we didn't see Tim Stokes until Barnabas had been in parallel time for several weeks: Thayer David was busy in real time.

Making primo DS in secret for us all to discover 37 years later?    Zounds and egad and other Petofi-era anachronisms!
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: Brandon Collins on December 26, 2007, 03:03:36 PM
The only person that reacted to Quentin was Amy, and her reaction (being very frightened of him) tells us that she certainly remembers Quentin's ghost haunting Collinwood. So it's also not a stretch to think that David remembers as well, and I believe that Liz might mention it at one point or another.

IIRC, Quentin came to present time during the Leviathan storyline, and he had to go through all that mess with Amanda being Olivia Corey and Julia had to investigate, blah blah blah, we find out that it's Quentin and all that jazz. I don't think he started living at Collinwood until have 70PT.
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy / Circular paradoxes
Post by: Midnite on December 26, 2007, 06:47:31 PM
The only person that reacted to Quentin was Amy, and her reaction (being very frightened of him) tells us that she certainly remembers Quentin's ghost haunting Collinwood. So it's also not a stretch to think that David remembers as well

As mscbryk mentioned, David's reaction was captured in the recent slide show.  He recognized Quentin's music ("Quentin's back!"), and after following it to the West Wing, he fled in terror when he realized a man was hiding in there.

I always thought it was a mistake for the present day characters to remember Quentin's haunting, but once history is changed by time travel, how DO you address the issue of a circular paradox except to have the change take place from the point the time travelers return?  In a circular paradox, everything to date is changed due to the time travel, yet the motivation for visiting the past sprang from the original history.  Spoiler:
In 1967, Vicki's trip through time changed nothing, thereby creating no circular paradox.  In 1968, some characters recall what occurred at Collinwood before Barnabas altered Quentin's history, so Barnabas' earlier motivation to visit 1897 remains reasonably intact.  In a later storyline, however, Gerard's haunting was apparently totally averted, so there would have been no need for Barnabas, Julia and Stokes to visit 1840 in the changed timeline, and therefore Gerard's ghost would be free to wreak havoc as it did originally...
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy / Circular paradoxes
Post by: Lydia on December 26, 2007, 07:29:28 PM
In 1968, some characters recall what occurred at Collinwood before Barnabas altered Quentin's history, so Barnabas' earlier motivation to visit 1897 remains reasonably intact.  In a later storyline, however, Gerard's haunting was apparently totally averted, so there would have been no need for Barnabas, Julia and Stokes to visit 1840 in the changed timeline, and therefore Gerard's ghost would be free to wreak havoc as it did originally...
Is that why the miniature merry-go-round was such a notable feature of Gerard's haunting?
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy / Circular paradoxes
Post by: Midnite on December 26, 2007, 07:50:11 PM
Is that why the miniature merry-go-round was such a notable feature of Gerard's haunting?

Ha ha, good point!
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: markyboo on December 26, 2007, 10:13:13 PM
 [santa_huh]

Another post-1897 issue has always been confusing to me: did the family realize Barnabas actually traveled through time & changed history? I remember Elizabeth thanking Barnabas shortly after he returned to the present, but did she & the others really understand what he did?

 [santa_grin]

Also, the entire family & staff fled Collinwood (due to Quentin's haunting) & took up residence at the Old House. Now, as we all know, Barnabas restored the Old House to be an exact replica of what it was like in the 18th Century - no electricity, no telephone & I've always assumed no plumbing. It makes you wonder what the houseguests did about bathing & , uh , some other needs. Did they all have to use an outhouse? Did Roger have to stop at a filling station & shave before going to his office in the morning? Did Mrs. Johnson grow weary of cooking meals & washing dishes without running hot & cold water or did they use paper plates & utensils all those months. Maybe Barnabas allowed Willie to install a bathroom for Willie's needs. Can you imagine all those people lined up & taking their turns to use one bathroom?
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: MagnusTrask on December 26, 2007, 10:41:23 PM
There are probably all sorts of rich-people options they have available to them that we'd never think of.    What about the generator they brought in for Eve?

Someone here knows what houses of this era and type did for "plumbing" I can almost guarantee.    Outhouse?    Probably a sort of indoor thing.     Really they'd have rented a house with electricity and plumbing, in town.
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: Gerard on December 27, 2007, 12:45:55 AM
Also, the entire family & staff fled Collinwood (due to Quentin's haunting) & took up residence at the Old House. Now, as we all know, Barnabas restored the Old House to be an exact replica of what it was like in the 18th Century - no electricity, no telephone & I've always assumed no plumbing. It makes you wonder what the houseguests did about bathing & , uh , some other needs. Did they all have to use an outhouse? Did Roger have to stop at a filling station & shave before going to his office in the morning? Did Mrs. Johnson grow weary of cooking meals & washing dishes without running hot & cold water or did they use paper plates & utensils all those months. Maybe Barnabas allowed Willie to install a bathroom for Willie's needs. Can you imagine all those people lined up & taking their turns to use one bathroom?

They probably just had Willie do everything:  the cooking, the hauling of water (maybe there was a hand-pump in the kitchen), heating it, handwashing all the laundry, and the job of - um - emptying out chamber pots.  Despite not having her portable TV to watch The Merv Griffin Show and Secret Storm, Mrs. Johnson was probably tickled pink that she didn't have to lift a finger.

Gerard
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: PennyDreadful on December 27, 2007, 06:43:03 PM
Another post-1897 issue has always been confusing to me: did the family realize Barnabas actually traveled through time & changed history? I remember Elizabeth thanking Barnabas shortly after he returned to the present, but did she & the others really understand what he did?

You know, as far as I recall, I don't think they knew exactly what he did.  Even Barnabas himself didn't know he'd wind up traveling to the past when he tossed those I-Ching wands.  Considering his penchant for utter secrecy, I doubt he told them much.  They just knew he helped in some way.  Barnabas, Julia & Stokes were probably vague about the specifics.
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: Willie Loomis on December 27, 2007, 07:33:12 PM
there seems to be a theory that since barnabas prevents quentin from being killed in 1897 than his ghost never haunted collinwood in the present and thus only barnabas,julia and "we" the viewer recall these events.

so, when barnabas discovered why quentin was cursed, he should have gone back in time to prevent quentin from killing jenny racosi collins, thereby avoiding the curse.   but it was more important to go around bitting little blond girls on their necks.    what a maroon.
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: MagnusTrask on December 27, 2007, 08:39:15 PM
Another post-1897 issue has always been confusing to me: did the family realize Barnabas actually traveled through time & changed history? I remember Elizabeth thanking Barnabas shortly after he returned to the present, but did she & the others really understand what he did?

You know, as far as I recall, I don't think they knew exactly what he did.  Even Barnabas himself didn't know he'd wind up traveling to the past when he tossed those I-Ching wands.  Considering his penchant for utter secrecy, I doubt he told them much.  They just knew he helped in some way.  Barnabas, Julia & Stokes were probably vague about the specifics.

I suppose the Collinses are used to just lertting the "help" get on with things, without getting too involved in the distasteful details....
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: michael c on December 27, 2007, 11:53:44 PM
willie...

so true.since barnabas began to travel back and forth in time with the frequency that some people go to the dentist,and always with the intention of preventing some or other "disaster" and where he invariably becomes distracted by some s.y.t.,you'd think that he'd try and prevent the grand daddy of all collinwood disasters,his own curse,but then again he wouldn't be alive in the 1960's and we would have no show.

as for quentin,it's true that before barnabas and julia entered 1970 parallel-time they weren't quite sure how to fit quentin into the proceedings...but when they returned the writing for quentin had changed and they tried to act like he had always been one of the gang at collinwood.

a sloppy piece of storytelling and continuity that always irritated me to no end for some reason.
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: markyboo on December 28, 2007, 10:50:13 PM
The writers were focusing on too many characters & storylines during the Leviathan saga. In addition to the main plot about the Leviathans, you also had the return of Quentin, the return of Paul Stoddard, the return of Amanda Harris, the return of Nicholas Blair, the return of Charles Delaware Tate, the return of Willie AND the return of Angelique. Also, there was Chris & Sabrina & all their baggage & the introduction of the parallel-time room! Oh, I almost forgot that Barnabas became a vampire again & ended up turning Megan Todd into one. I'm surprised the writers didn't work in Mrs. Johnson attending a '70's-style key party. I wish that when Barnabas returned to the present (69/70), the Leviathan storyline would have unfolded a bit more slowly. It would have been nice to have gotten to know "normal" Philip & Megan for several weeks before they became "parents". During that time, Quentin could have been reintroduced into the storyline & the writers could have gotten all that Amanda Harris/Olivia Corey nonsense out of the way. By the time the Leviathan storyline got cooking, Quentin could have been more involved with his new cousins & would have been more apt to defend them from the Leviathans & then not just seem an afterthought like when Julia "drafted" Quentin to battle the Leviathans
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: Brandon Collins on December 29, 2007, 12:11:41 AM
Spoiler: In 1967, Vicki's trip through time changed nothing, thereby creating no circular paradox. In 1968, some characters recall what occurred at Collinwood before Barnabas altered Quentin's history, so Barnabas' earlier motivation to visit 1897 remains reasonably intact. In a later storyline, however, Gerard's haunting was apparently totally averted, so there would have been no need for Barnabas, Julia and Stokes to visit 1840 in the changed timeline, and therefore Gerard's ghost would be free to wreak havoc as it did originally...

Under this logic, Barnabas and Julia would have to continually go back in time to avert the haunting caused by Gerard, so they'd be replaying the same loop over and over. Can you just imagine?

Barnabas: This really is getting old. 
Julia: I shouldn't have unpacked from the last time.

And since Quentin came to the present,  can we then assume that the events that happened to him in the past would've still happened but at the point of his death he instead was thrown forward through time to the present day, thus averting his ghost ever haunting Collinwood in the first place, except for the original time we saw it happen?

I've said it before and I'll say it again: paradoxes are confusing.
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: Gerard on December 29, 2007, 03:18:07 AM
Yes, as wonderful as 1897 (and its prelude in the present time) is, what a mess from Barnabas going back in time.

SPOILER HERE!

In 1968, Quentin is haunting Collinwood (plus his body, having been shot by Beth, was found in the sealed-off room by David and Amy), so obviously he was dead.  But then Barnabas goes back in time to change things.  What really changed things wasn't so much his going back in time, but Petofi showing up and having Tate make that portrait which basically makes Quentin immortal.  He can't be harmed, because whatever harm comes to him goes to the portrait.  So if he was shot by Beth, he'd have a momentary "heart burn" and then the fatal wound would appear on the portrait, so he ain't dead.  So how could he have croaked and ended up haunting Collinwood?  Did Barnabas' arrival change it all?  If Barnabas hadn't've showed up, would Petofi?  Well, maybe, maybe not.  Magda was all out of sorts when she found out that by cursing Quentin she had cursed her own descendents, so she went to get Petofi's hand in order to cure Quentin.  But would she have done so if Barnabas had not been there?  Maybe he cajoled her more into trying to repair things; if he had not shown up, Magda might've just bemoaned what she did and let it go at that, so she would not have gone to get Petofi's hand and Petofi would not have shown up and had Tate make that portrait.  But Petofi did show up and made Quentin immortal, so he was more responsible for stopping the haunting than Barnabas was.  And yet a body showed up in Quentin's room - Trask's.  Is that what the kids found in 1968?  Or was history changed in a paradox that skeletons were switched?  Now that would've been an interesting haunting:  Quentin's spook is banished, but now there's a really angry Gregory Trask.  So here we go again.  Like I said, what a mess.

Gerard
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: Lydia on December 29, 2007, 10:33:16 AM
So if he was shot by Beth, he'd have a momentary "heart burn" and then the fatal wound would appear on the portrait, so he ain't dead.  So how could he have croaked and ended up haunting Collinwood?
So, for a while the portrait would show a decomposing corpse, and eventually just a skeleton.  Neat!
Now that would've been an interesting haunting:  Quentin's spook is banished, but now there's a really angry Gregory Trask.
The thought of Gregory Trask's ghost getting his ectoplasmic hands on David and Amy makes my skin crawl.
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: MagnusTrask on December 29, 2007, 05:11:50 PM
Quote
I wish that when Barnabas returned to the present (69/70), the Leviathan storyline had unfolded a bit more slowly.

mm-- That sounds scary at first, considering how slow it all was already, but all the other story threads are what make that period worth watching to me.    I could have done with no Leviathans whatsoever.    Not too many threads, for me, but the fact that they all revolve around the Leviathans.
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on December 29, 2007, 07:03:52 PM
all the other story threads are what make that period worth watching to me.    I could have done with no Leviathans whatsoever.

Exactly. I often distinguish between the Leviathan period and the Leviathan storyline for the very reason that I find all the elements apart from the actual Leviathan storyline to be far more interesting. And probably needless to say, they hold up much better.


But getting back on the main subject here, I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that Roger also remembers Quentin's haunting. The look on Roger's face in Ep #958 when Quentin pretends to be the ghost lumbering into the drawing room is priceless.

And as for trying to reconcile the time travel conundrums on DS with how time travel is handled in other stories/mediums, well, I don't think it's really necessary. As I said recently in another topic, apparently the DS writers expected the audience to accept and to go with the concept of time in the ways they laid it out. DS is quite simply a show with many of its own unique rules. And I have absolutely no problem with DS making up its own rules for its supernatural elements (well, so long as they remain consistent within the same storyline). It's certainly wasn't the first show to do it - and it certainly won't be the last (I mean, just look at how Moonlight has redefined vampire mythology  [santa_wink]).
Title: Re: If you have a really good memory, you remember things that never happened
Post by: MagnusTrask on December 29, 2007, 09:08:42 PM
To understand this, it helps to have been a science-fiction-minded kid in the 60s, when SF was a sort of underground genre that dumbfounded the average reader or viewer.    Hardly anyone knew how to deal with SF ideas such as time travel, when it got the least bit complicated.    Ideas like these were all "new" in a way.   I get the impression that DS writers and producers were more of the mainstream sort of mindset as regards time-travel, still stuck (much of the time, not always) in the mode that stubbornly sees "later", "now", or "earlier" in everyday, normal terms. 

For them, anything can happen in 1840, such as Ang ending and Barnabas never getting back into the coffin, because this is all happening "now" for these characters (and the producers), and 1897 and 1967 happened "before" on the show, so why would we have to worry about all that?    It may have been just that simple.    I remember how people couldn't even start to think in a non-linear way.
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: loril54 on January 04, 2008, 12:27:50 AM
Did they plan to have Quentin, to be such a hit??

If Quentin hadn't been a hit, he could have been a wereworl
that was killed. That wouldn't have changed the story line.

But when Barnabas didn't go back to his coffin as a vampire.
There would have been no Maggie kidnapping, Julia hypnotizing, Dr Lang and so on. Now that was confusing.


Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: Joeytrom on January 04, 2008, 12:36:42 AM
The original plan for 1897 was probably for it to end with Quentin dead on the chair & sealed in the room.  When he became so popular, they had to come up with an alternate scenario.
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: markyboo on January 04, 2008, 06:07:19 PM
Spoiler:
Maybe it WAS Trask's remains that David & Amy found in Quentin's West Wing suite. And since Trask had been trapped in there with Quentin's exstensive library of books on black magic, do you think Trask's spirit might have perused those books throughout the decades and learned  a thing or two? Who knows, maybe Trask, wanting revenge on the Collins family, conjured up Quentin & Beth's spirits from the grave , took control of them & forced them to do his bidding by haunting Collinwood. Also, maybe Trask's evil spirit created a replica of Cassandra & sent her to punish Elizabeth with the buried alive curse. I could see Trask taking great pleasure in such a nasty deed - after all, Elizabeth did resemble the woman who caused his downfall - Judith Collins!


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Title: Re: quentin, david and amy and abraham and martin and ringo
Post by: MagnusTrask on January 04, 2008, 07:51:24 PM
The original plan for 1897 was probably for it to end with Quentin dead on the chair & sealed in the room.  When he became so popular, they had to come up with an alternate scenario.

They really didn't, and it's always seemed strange to me that they thought they had to.   There were plenty of changes they made to the "time-line", many events which un-happened, such as Q never having been a ghost.    Yet, in that BC-JH-QC conversation the day after Petofi's having saved Quentin, Q asks "Then whose skeleton was in that chair in 1969?" or something.    And instead of telling Q that this has now never happened, along with all the other things in 1969 which have now never happened, Barnabas says he doesn't know, but that there is some explanation for the skeleton.

There didn't have to be.  What after all explained the ghost that looked like Quentin hanging around 1969 Collinwood?    Did that have to be a ghost imposter, since they now know Q survived?   No.  It just didn't happen in the DS world... "anymore".

If there was a solid reason for their feeling compelled to come up with an alternate explanation for the skeleton (rather than just time-travel naivety on the part of the writers or DC), then I suppose it was that they'd already thought of a cool and ironic means to end Gregory.
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: Joeytrom on January 06, 2008, 06:21:29 PM
If there was a solid reason for their feeling compelled to come up with an alternate explanation for the skeleton (rather than just time-travel naivety on the part of the writers or DC), then I suppose it was that they'd already thought of a cool and ironic means to end Gregory.

What is funny is that they even went so far as to explain away the brick wall Judith used to seal Gregory in (there wasn't one in the present, it was sealed with wood) by having her write a letter to Tim Shaw to remove the bricks and reseal the doorway with wood panels!
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: MagnusTrask on January 16, 2008, 01:14:41 AM
Good point.... I'd like to have seen them try to explain away the glittery red vest the 1969 skeleton had on!    Either Quentin or Greg Trask must have paid off a member of a barbership quartet to take his place!
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: Pansity on August 02, 2008, 07:18:36 AM
[spoiler]
so, when barnabas discovered why quentin was cursed, he should have gone back in time to prevent quentin from killing jenny racosi collins, thereby avoiding the curse.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Not to mention that Barnabas had the solution right in his hands - and blew it -- when he didn't leave Quentin dead after Jenny stabbed him to death.   Which come to think of it leaves the question of whether, before all the mucking about with the timeline, that was orignally how he died. If not, how the heck did he get revived THAT time? (Yeah, I know, that doesn't explain the ghost of Beth.  One unsolvable paradox at a time, please!  [toothy12] [Witch_Potion_Animated][/spoiler]
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: Pansity on August 02, 2008, 07:29:15 AM
[spoiler]And since Trask had been trapped in there with Quentin's exstensive library of books on black magic, do you think Trask's spirit might have perused those books throughout the decades and learned  a thing or two? Who knows, maybe Trask, wanting revenge on the Collins family, conjured up Quentin & Beth's spirits from the grave , took control of them & forced them to do his bidding by haunting Collinwood.[/spoiler]

Ooh, I LIKE that idea.  That would certainly explain the sociopathic ghost. Only one catch -- Gregory Trask never had a sense of humor in his whole life.  And the ghost of Quentin had a twisted sense of humor, as in his baiting Braithwaite-- and appearing to Roger.  Another idea I've seen used to explain the differnence in the ghost is that it's the ghost of PETOFI IN QUENTINS BODY. He, at least had the perquisite evil sense of humor....

And either one would explain Beth's ghost being more of an adversary to Quentin's ghost than a partner in crime   [Skull2] [Ghost00]
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: Pansity on August 02, 2008, 07:34:41 AM
later on however it's never quite satisfactorily explained as to why everyone readily accepts quentin into the household and no longer equate him with the ghost that caused them so much grief. [santa_huh]

You can't tell the player without his sideburns and gramophone?  [gramophone] [tongue2]

Or maybe his previous alias was as Clark Kent - and we all know how different HE looks from his alter ego.

 [tongue2]
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: Midnite on August 03, 2008, 04:22:44 AM
Another idea I've seen used to explain the differnence in the ghost is that it's the ghost of PETOFI IN QUENTINS BODY. He, at least had the perquisite evil sense of humor....

Hmm, I'm thinking that originally, Petofi wouldn't have inhabited Quentin's body as seen in the changed 1897 because Barnabas and Julia weren't there to start the time travel ball rolling.  Or did you mean that Petofi's ghost could have taken control of Quentin's body after their deaths?, cuz I think that would be an interesting twist.
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: Pansity on August 03, 2008, 05:37:43 AM
You're right about Petofi not having been around originally -- or at least the best we can TELL,with the cats cradle Barn made of the original timeline.  [confused5a] Can't take credit for the idea myself-- I either read it on some discussion somewhere,or saw a
story based on it.Best I remember of the speculation is that if Petofi died before Q reversing the mindswitch,the ghost could have been his.

Which gives me my own plot bunny to worry at: what if they'd BOTH died  when Q tried to reverse the switch? That too would have had an interesting effect on the ghosts of 1969.  [grim] [ghosty] [ghost]
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: Angelique Wins on August 04, 2008, 12:01:36 AM
Concerning Quentin...
Clearly he's solid and not a ghost, so they can't say otherwise.

I don't know about that.  [spoiler]Joanna seemed pretty darned solid to me...til she wasn't anymore.  LOL![/spoiler]

Judy
[9366]
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: Midnite on August 04, 2008, 12:54:05 AM
You're right about Petofi not having been around originally -- or at least the best we can TELL,with the cats cradle Barn made of the original timeline.  [confused5a]

As much as I love 1897, parts of it do get confusing.  But I wasn't saying that Petofi wasn't always there-- at least not in that post you quoted-- because I recently began to consider that he may have been there orignally, though my reasons are probably off topic for this thread.  But regardless of whether he was in the unchanged past or not, I doubt he specifically possessed Quentin because, IIRC, he wasn't interested in using Quentin's body (sigh) to get to the future until Petofi realized through his dealings with Julia and Barnabas that time travel was possible.

BTW, the mods have been adding spoiler warnings as needed to this topic and others.   [ghost_wink]
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: Pansity on August 04, 2008, 04:28:19 AM
OOPS,sorry.  I thought I caught those.  Got to be more careful ! [ashamed3] [a395] [signerror] [blshy]
Title: Re: quentin,david and amy
Post by: IluvBarnabas on August 08, 2008, 02:51:03 PM
I agree with Midnite. I think it's hardly likely that [spoiler] Petofi took over Quentin's body in the unchanged timeline and that it was HIS spirit in Quentin's form haunting Collinwood because in unchanged history, Petofi never met Barnabas who was still chained up in his coffin and Julia hadn't been born yet so the idea of time-travelling never even occured to him, much less the means to get there.

However, in one of the older threads, somebody pitched the idea that in the Gerard/Daphne haunting, Judah Zachery had really been the one haunting Collinwood through Gerard's form. Now that idea I can buy since Judah did possess Gerard in 1840, something that I believed happened before in the unchanged 1840 before Barnabas and Julia went back and changed things. I do think that the circumstances of Judah's demise may have been changed due to Barnabas and Julia's presence. Maybe Judah really had been strangled by Gabriel, or Daphne or Quentin put a bullet into him, or maybe Gerard as Judah had been exposed and destroyed another way. Who knows? [/spoiler]