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Current Talk '03 II / Re:The New DARK SHADOWS?
« on: November 16, 2003, 05:54:11 AM »
I personally prefer Marlowe.  And John Webster... the Duchess of Malfi is a fabulous play, perhaps one of the very greatest plays in the English language.

I'm willing to bet you like Marlowe's "Edward II"  ;)   ... I saw a small theatre group's electric contemporary production of this a few years ago, and there's also Derek Jarman's interesting take on it ...

For 16th century Elizabethan poetry, Sir Thomas Wyatt is unequaled ... Shakespeare's sonnets are complex and challenging, but very static and undramatic; I enjoy reading more Philip Sidney's "Astrophil and Stella" sonnet cycle (whose title personages Dickens' named his Philip "Pip" and Estella after ...).

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Not to say that Willie the Shake is chopped liver, of course.

Nicely put!  :)

And speaking of literature in relation to DS, I wonder if writers for a new DS could possibly be as literate as they often were on DS.  I'm thinking of Barnabas' lengthy speech recounting the death of Josette to Carolyn and Vicki in the drawing room at Collinwood (this was pre-1795/7) ... the range of reading that the writers showed, drawing on classic works of literature ... Roger Collins' recitation of "Dover Beach" ... the knowledge the writers display of customs and language and manners during the various time periods ... there really is a lot of intelligence in a lot of DS that I can't even imagine seeing in a show today.


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Current Talk '03 II / Re:Playing dress up
« on: November 14, 2003, 10:41:25 PM »
Could the rumor that KJ was replacing KLS on the show in every way be true?

I hadn't paid much attention to that speculation in the past, but after watching Kate Jackson in this role for the second time now -- gritting my teeth and bearing it -- the idea of Kathryn Leigh Scott in the role is a breath of fresh air just to imagine ...

I'm not sure how it would have worked with KLS in the part ... wasn't Maggie still on the scene, for one thing, when Daphne's ghost first showed up in 1970?  The logistics sound too confusing.

I keep waiting for Kate Jackson to finish her "sneeze" but she never does ...  >:D

(I'm talking about her annoying habit of placing her hands over her nose and mouth like she's about to ker-choo!  I was really puzzled the first time she did this ... ]



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Current Talk '03 II / Re:Gerard Question
« on: November 14, 2003, 10:23:44 PM »
I just assumed that the haunting of Collinwood in 1970 is actually by Judah Zachary, who is in possession of Gerard Stiles, even after death.

I hadn't considered the alternatives you mentioned.  I'm afraid it gets too complicated.

I have notes for a lengthy post that I didn't get around to making that addresses this, in part as a response to all those complaints from posters here during the Summer of 1970 episodes that there is no reason for the haunting, it's arbitrary, etc.

Each scenario presents its own complications, but I assume that the whole haunting business is a story of revenge by Judah Zachary.  His revenge against the Collins family is made clear in 1840.  He apparently is foiled in 1840 (by Barnabas and Julia, I'm guessing), and for whatever reasons (do ghosts operate by normal human time frames and rationale?) returns to Collinwood in 1970 to try again.

I don't think Gerard Stiles would have had motive to do the haunting.  He was a schemer and an opportunist, to be sure, before Judah Zachary entered the picture.  But Stiles had no reason to exact revenge against the Collins family -- Judah Zachary did.

I wonder if the reappearance of a Quentin Collins at Collinwood in 1970 or shortly before became known to Judah Zachary in the shadowy netherworld and rekindled his determination to continue his quest for vengeance.  I know that this isn't the same Quentin as the 1840's Quentin, but Zachary could have seen him as a surrogate for the Quentin he had foresworn to have beheaded in 1840.


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Current Talk '03 II / Re:How Did Angelique Get Her Powers?
« on: November 13, 2003, 05:44:23 PM »
;D I think they mean Bedford, NY.  It was founded in the 1680s.  It might have been named after an English town.  A lot of those New England towns were named after English towns or Indian tribes.  Bedford wasn't originally part of NY (in case there are sticklers for what New England means out there).

In one episode, I think another town was named where everything with Judah Zachary happened, and that town (whose name I couldn't make out) was said to be "near Bedford."

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Current Talk '03 II / Re:Gerard's Watch Fob
« on: November 13, 2003, 05:39:53 PM »
I think we've seen the last of the watch fob.  As far as I know, we only see it (at least in closeup) in the episode where Lazlo stole it.

I don't know who wrote that FAQ, but whomever it was did a superb job.  I'm surprised it isn't referenced more.

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Current Talk '03 II / Re:The New DARK SHADOWS?
« on: November 13, 2003, 05:31:44 PM »
I've never heard or read anyone else say this, but in my opinion "Othello" is basically and essentially a soap opera.  The academicians would probably be shocked by this assertion ... but that particular play, IMO, doesn't come close to the greater tragedies, like Lear or Hamlet.  Those two were based on older plays and/or legendary material.

I agree that Shakespeare has eclipsed scores of other worthy Elizabethan era poets and dramatists, some of whose works I enjoy more than some of WS's, but possibly none of these others matched the scope of Shakespeare's canon.   :)  The medieval playing field has fewer names to choose from, but here I do tend to give Chaucer credit as "greatest" both for the vast scope of his work but also for the level of his poetry.  But some individual lyric works of the Middle Ages by other poets, often anonymous, are matchless.


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Current Talk '03 II / Re:How Did Angelique Get Her Powers?
« on: November 13, 2003, 07:07:53 AM »
I'm sure people are tired of this topic by now.

So, this isn't really on the topic, but is related in a way.

I recently ordered a book from England.  I got it today, and the mailing address was ... Bedford.  Seems too closely related to everything happening on DS and discussed here to be only a coincidence ...

 :o


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Current Talk '03 II / Gerard's Watch Fob
« on: November 13, 2003, 06:56:24 AM »
Another delayed reaction, but ...

I happened to come across something called the "Dark Shadows FAQ."  I'm not sure where it is or how I found it -- I think it used to be linked on Mr. Juggins' webpage ... I know I saved it on disks a few years back.  This is an excellent compendium of knowledge, with some of the best material on DS I've read.

Any way, according to the FAQ, the image on Gerard's watch fob stolen by Lazlo represents the Colussus of Rhodes -- one of the Seven Wonders of the (Ancient) World.  I'm amazed that someone was able to identify this ... I know I looked at it but couldn't identify the image ... to me it looked like possibly a religious medallion.

At any rate, the FAQ author points out that the Colussus itself is a representation of Helios, the god of the sun (later Apollo).  Somehow I find this very interesting ... maybe because Apollo, as the patron and inspirer of reason, order, and poetry (if I'm remembering my Greek mythology) has always been my favorite among the Greek pantheon.  I seem to remember that he was often seen as the direct opposite of Dionysus -- god of unreason, licensiousness, etc.

Interesting if the icon of Apollo was carefully selected for Gerard.  In some ways, it does fit him ... the original Gerard, that is.  Despite his gun running, opportunism, and other exploits, Gerard also was a man of some culture and sophistication ... he plays the piano, for instance; and appears to fit in comfortably with the aristocratic Collins family.

Yet the danger Gerard represented, which has magnified a thousandfold with his possession by Judah Zachary, makes the iconic image of Apollo an ironic representation.  Given the destruction with which Gerard is now associated, perhaps the proper symbol for Gerard/Judah would be the opposing force of Dionysis, destructive and seductive ...


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Current Talk '03 II / Reading of the Will - Excellent Episode
« on: November 13, 2003, 06:39:20 AM »
This is a bit late, but ...

The episode where "Father Collins's" will was read was very well done.  I started to notice the tension of the scene when Edith began pacing back and forth.  Each of those present in the scene -- Edith, Gabriel, Gerard, Samantha, Desmond -- conveyed a unique emotional tension, which was really quite extraordinary to see.  I thought the individual reactions after the reading -- such as Edith's laugh -- were also very realistic ... (so much so that it brought back a memory of a divisive reading of a will that I unfortunately had experience with.  It's amazing how something like the division of property/money can damage family relationships.)

The physicality of this scene was impressively complemented, I thought, with the episode's closing scene which intercut the miming (not quite the right word ...) spell with Edith and the actual death of Mrs. Ward.

I don't know who directed this episode -- there were no credits at the end of this ep.  But whomever it was did a masterful job!


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Current Talk '03 II / Re:The New DARK SHADOWS?
« on: November 13, 2003, 06:25:27 AM »
I find myself agreeing with all of the views expressed here -- and I'm developing a split personality as a result!   ;D

Miss Winthrop expresses what I fear most:

please, please don't Hollywoodize it with 'butt' kicking 14 yr old females or another glossy remake of the 1991 series. And for the love of macaroni and cheese, don't film it in California.


But I'm cautiously optimistic after reading comments like CassandraBlair's:

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of course none of us wants to see a new version of our favorite show that's total crap.

That aside, the WB would be a fine place to see a new Dark Shadows series.  I'm sure they could do a rendition that didn't dumb things down.  And so what if they retell some of the story we're already familiar with?  As long as it's good writing, good acting and compelling storytelling I'll be watching.

Ms. Crisyde makes an excellent point about originality -- Shakespeare is a good example of someone whose work was almost entirely based on other works (old plays, literary works from Italy and France, legends, historical chronicles, etc.), but which he always transformed these into something new and original in their own rights.

Raholt, you've probably seen the brief writeup from "Variety" by now (since it's in the online Shadowgram announcement), but anyway, Dan Curtis is involved in the project -- as co-executive producer, I think it says.



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Current Talk '03 II / Re:The New DARK SHADOWS?
« on: November 11, 2003, 08:55:28 PM »
The Variety article that David called attention to in a separate thread, but which is being discussed here, makes it sound almost like a done deal.  Yet the show might not even be picked up after a pilot is made!  Unless WB is firmly committed to developing the show ... maybe a network commitment would make a difference, and it sounds like WB really wants to do it.

I was able to read the entire Variety article (not that it was very long) because I coincidentally have a temporary membership.  But I don't feel I should abuse that free membership by posting the article here (in addition to copyright concerns).  It says that Wells is the executive co-producer and Verheiden will write the pilot.

All parties have declined to comment as "a formal deal is still being hammered out."



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Current Talk '03 II / Re:Good ol' Desmond!
« on: November 11, 2003, 06:42:35 PM »
It's hard to choose which performance of Karlen's is best -- Karl Collins is certainly the quirkiest!  But I tend to like Desmond's character the best over all ... so well done by Mr. Karlen.


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Current Talk '03 II / Re:How Did Angelique Get Her Powers?
« on: November 11, 2003, 06:34:31 PM »
I have completely revised my post from yesterday (two posts above this).  The modified post expresses better what I meant to say.


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Current Talk '03 II / Re:How Did Angelique Get Her Powers?
« on: November 11, 2003, 06:21:29 PM »
I'm not sure if my cloudy, sleep-deprived mind is resulting in bizarre posts.  If so, just disregard anything that doesn't make sense ...  :D

I think this thread ended up being more about reconciling (or not) the 1795 and 1840 backgrounds of Angelique.

To address the subject heading, here was the most recent relevant information about HOW Angelique became a witch, according to the 1840 storyline (which some viewers choose to reject).

Lazlo:  "So you became what you are because of Judah Zachary."

Angelique:  "Yes, his powers are awesome."

That's a bit sketchy, but it does indicate that Angelique was an ordinary girl who became a witch -- and immortal -- "because of" Judah Zachary.

I think Midnite quoted some more relevant material in an earlier post, which hasn't occurred yet on the show, that's in the same vein.

It would seem that, according to 1840 Miranda did not become immortal until sometime after Judah Zachary's beheading, though.

As I posted above, I feel this point actually is compatible with the the 1795 events, too.


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Funny thing, when it was fully covered (or close), it seems cloudy over the moon. It was more interesting when partially covered, IMHO.

Thanks, Patti, I feel better hearing that.  My mom had said the same thing, so I guess with two people saying it, there must be something to it.  It would be nice to have the time to watch the entire event next time.  It was really cold here, too, so a summer eclipse (like on DS) would be the best.

It's too bad the Summer of 1970 storyline didn't make more of the eclipse ... they could have shown the eclipse starting to happen, etc., and build suspense that way.