DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '03 I => Topic started by: Happybat on June 04, 2003, 08:24:06 PM
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A while ago I read somewhere that DC is considering coming up with a new Dark Shadows for television. I don't know if this is just an idle rumor, but I have an idea or two, as I'm sure most of you do.
My idea for a Dark Shadows redux would be having a now 40-something David Collins inheriting Collinwood after Roger and Elizabeth die, and returning there with his wife Amy Jennings. David is now an expert on the paranormal with perhaps a day job as psychologist. Still marked by all those childhood traumas he and Amy had to endure, they have decided to put their personal demons to rest by discovering the real Collinwood curse, which has plagued his family for centuries. It seems this might be the starting point for some intriguing stories in the DS canon.
Perhaps you could even have some former actor cameos (Selby? Parker? KLS?). Nancy Barrett could even return as Carolyn.
Now, I wonder who would play David and Amy?
I know this isn't a terribly original idea, but just thought I'd share it anyway. :)
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I know this isn't a terribly original idea, but just thought I'd share it anyway. :)
It's certainly a better idea than another re-making of the original....as proven by the success of the multiple "Star Trek's".
Yes, you'd want original cast members to pop in now and again....but it would have to be a new generation with entirely new stories.
Who should play David and Amy? Any two actors who look like real people, and not like Barbie and Ken.
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i agree with both of you . i don't want to see the same old story remade again but would like to see how the
story continued. great idea HappyBat! :)
jennifer
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I wouldn't want to see the same old storyline repeated either, ick. :P
Happybat, I really like your idea a lot.
A sort of dream casting for David & Amy: Brad Pitt and Jodie Foster. They would be in the right age group. Or David Duchovny and Sandra Bullock.
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:D What a delightful idea, Happybat!! I can certainly visualize the scenario. There will almost surely have to be a vampire---descended from cousin Barnabas. I will have to think about actors, but Sean Penn seems plausible.
Misty
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Although a remake would be interesting, a where-are-they-now, next-generation would be far more interesting. I think the two main characters should be not only an adult David (married with children), but also Carolyn. Maybe they could convince at least Nancy Barrett to reprise the part. The two could be co-heirs, master/mistress of Collinwood. But I think it should start out with everything having been calm and quiet at Collinwood the past thirty-some years when suddenly - boom! - "something" happens, dredging up memories and away we go.
Gerard
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My preference to play David and Amy would be David Henesy and Denise Nickerson. They had great chemistry together all those years ago and who knows they still may. I know this is very unlikely because to my understanding neither of them have acted in over twenty years and I don't believe they have any interest in doing so. But it sure would be interesting to see them reprising their roles. Maybe it would be a welcome break from the career paths they have taken.
I think it would be great if Nancy Barrett, KLS and others reprised their roles as well.
Just my opinion.
Thanks,
Murph
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Although a remake would be interesting, a where-are-they-now, next-generation would be far more interesting. I think the two main characters should be not only an adult David (married with children), but also Carolyn. Maybe they could convince at least Nancy Barrett to reprise the part. The two could be co-heirs, master/mistress of Collinwood. But I think it should start out with everything having been calm and quiet at Collinwood the past thirty-some years when suddenly - boom! - "something" happens, dredging up memories and away we go. Gerard
Not a bad idea, Gerard. TPTB could even incorporate a little real life into Collinwood--with Carolyn singing in NYC but living in Collinwood during the off times; David living in South America trying to find Burke Devlin; Willie tending the Old House in his old age while Barnabas is "away"; Maggie finally becoming wealthy with her publishing empire while Quentin became a matinee idol and Angelique finds happiness in marriage and motherhood. What a story!
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It sounds great. I like all of the ideas! And can't you just see Carolyn and David sharing Collingwood. It would be the Roger and Liz dynamics all over again.
HobbiesDS
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I think a new soap -- and I do think if DS was to return, it would need to be as a soap -- would have to be a sequel to have a chance of succeeding, and I think it could do fine.
I'd enlist a couple of original cast to maintain the show's heritage and otherwise populate it with recasts of the younger characters and new faces that fit the show's familiar archetypes.
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I am in complete agreement with all of you: the best way to revive DS is by doing a sequel to the original series. The premise of Collinwood, thirty years later, is rich with possibilities. It is frustrating that DC seemingly is not interested in exploring them.
Regards,
John
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I love it!!! DAvid and Amy...Carolyn...Quentin. Perhaps one of Barnabas' sons has the affection....someone like...Johnny Depp. The whole thing would be great. [blackbat]
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Although a remake would be interesting, a where-are-they-now, next-generation would be far more interesting. I think the two main characters should be not only an adult David (married with children), but also Carolyn. Maybe they could convince at least Nancy Barrett to reprise the part. The two could be co-heirs, master/mistress of Collinwood. But I think it should start out with everything having been calm and quiet at Collinwood the past thirty-some years when suddenly - boom! - "something" happens, dredging up memories and away we go. Gerard
Not a bad idea, Gerard. TPTB could even incorporate a little real life into Collinwood--with Carolyn singing in NYC but living in Collinwood during the off times; David living in South America trying to find Burke Devlin; Willie tending the Old House in his old age while Barnabas is "away"; Maggie finally becoming wealthy with her publishing empire while Quentin became a matinee idol and Angelique finds happiness in marriage and motherhood. What a story!
You're not going to believe this, Carol, but that's pretty much what I thought the opening story should be!
Gerard
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It's great posting something that generates so many excellent responses!
I'm in complete agreement with all of you that simply rehashing the same, tired old storylines would be a mistake. Doing a next generation saga would not only allow the writers to come up with fresh new storylines but also link it to the original show and allow former stars to make a DS comeback.
However, ghost and vampire themes are such strong and universal ones that they can and should (this IS Dark Shadows, after all!) be incorporated, but with different stories.
What about having Quentin's portrait destroyed in one storyline, thereby allowing him to age to David Selby's present vintage (just like a fine claret!)? Of course, someone would also have to come up with a way to prevent Quentin from sprouting fur and fangs again every full moon, but that could be part of the story, too.
Gerard, I like your idea of Carolyn and David sharing Collinwood. What a treat it would be to see Nancy Barrett reprising her role! Willie tending the Old House in his senior years also sounds entirely believable to me. I also like the tantalizing teaser of leaving open the possibility of Barnabas returning. Somehow I can't imagine him having progeny of his own, however. The image of Barnabas bouncing a baby on his knee is too weird even for DS!
Anyway, love your ideas!
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As long as DC is alive and has any kind of say, I suspect we will be subjected to that damn Girl on a Train/Josette/Barnabas plot, even though it's time and appeal has really pretty much left the station.
However, since we're doing castles in the air, I'm with everyone else. A next-generation plot would be the most feasible. David and whoever (or is it whomever)he's married to returns to Collinwood and appropriately dark and supernatural things occur.
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The image of Barnabas bouncing a baby on his knee is too weird even for DS!
You said it, Happybat!! [a345]
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In a recent interview, KLS mentioned that she would love to see Lara Parker and herself reunited as Angelique and Maggie/Josette, running a bed-and-breakfast in Collinsport, and torturing each other a la WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO BABY JANE?
Given the DS characters' seeming fondness for dysfunctional relationships, I think that would be an absolutely perfect element for a new series, especially if KLS were allowed to play the heavy this time around.
"Butcha ARE, Angelique! Ya are in that wheelchair!"
Regards,
John
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Lucia is right. . we'll forever get the train thing. ..::yawn:: DC and the rest of us should just move on . .fantasize in our heads but nothing will ever compare to the lovely memories we have of the show and the space it fills. . .and i really wouldn't want them to continue trying. . .And i can't see DC using original cast members. .a few were interested in the 91 Revival (mostly known I guess is Parker wanted to play Dr Hoffman [frkoff] ) and he didn't go for it then. . .and that sorta ploy would've certainly pulled in a lot more viewers. . .??
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Based on my previous post, a castle-in-the-air story could be:
David leaves South American and returns home to help Carolyn accept her husbands death. He mentions that he thinks he has found Burke Devlin and was hot on his trail when Carolyn's lawyer advised that he return home. Quentin leaves his current theatre run and returns to Collinwood because he's been slowing aging(to his current age). A seance is held and Angelique appears, kicking and screaming, because she was busy planning her son's wedding and doesn't have time to help the Collins family out--again!
Barnabas may know how to solve the problem but Willie is reluctant to tell everyone that Barnabas has been in Canada getting treatment for his vampirism. Maggie returns home to see the old homestead, looking like the talented and lovely KLS, and gets caught up in the nonsense. You could even throw in Victoria Winters(Alexandra Moltke) as a ghost with common sense for a change.
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Wouldn't you think that with the great success of supernatural shows on TV for the last oh, 5 years or so.....that DC should have jumped back into the fray before now?
I suspect he took a long serious look at something like "Buffy", admitted to himself that he hadn't a clue how to do THAT and decided not to try and fail.
I think he talks about a "new" DS like my brother talks about moving to Vermont...lots of yakking, never gonna happen.
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Just so long as Hallie Stokes is nowhere to be found ;)
I'd love to see a DS: TNG. David Henesy probably wouldn't want to reprise his role, so far as I can tell, but Nancy Barrett could probably be persuaded to reprise Carolyn if it's a recurring thing or a prime time weekly show. I can easily see KLS and LP doing cameos if not joining the regular cast, and John Karlen as well.
For a trip through time, I've always wanted to see the show do a "roaring 20's" timeline, filling in the gaps between Edward and Judith's generation and Elizabeth and Paul's. We could find out who Liz and Roger's mother was, the circumstances of her meeting a grown up Jamison, and whatever became of Nora.
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Just so long as Hallie Stokes is nowhere to be found ;)
For a trip through time, I've always wanted to see the show do a "roaring 20's" timeline, filling in the gaps between Edward and Judith's generation and Elizabeth and Paul's. We could find out who Liz and Roger's mother was, the circumstances of her meeting a grown up Jamison, and whatever became of Nora.
Oh, Dr. Lang, you've made my day! I've always wanted to see a story set in the Roaring Twenties. Imagine a Collinwood where Jamison Collins is master (married, of course, but having tons of affairs on the side, driving his wife crazy), Nora Collins lives as a spinster, and Elizabeth and Roger are just wee-widdo ones. I can just picture a big, Gatbsy-style party with flappers, the Charleston, and all the illegal booze that Collins money could provide. Of course, this is pre-change-1897-history, so Carl Collins will be there as well. Twenty-three skiddoo!
Gerard
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For a trip through time, I've always wanted to see the show do a "roaring 20's" timeline
We've talked about this many times before, but back in the '80s, a '20s flashback was part of the proposal for a DS reunion movie, entitled, oddly enough, Return to Collinwood. But like the vast majority of DS projects, nothing ever came of it. Though the big stumbling block with this one was that the producer, Steve Young, wanted to license the DS rights from DC (Young even had the former writers, producer and most of the stars (pending the finished script) on board) but DC wouldn't hear of it. ::)
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Angelique finds happiness in marriage and motherhood. What a story!
Angelique? Motherhood? [haironend] Whoa, what a scary thought!!
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I think a great idea for a story would be for Ruben Stoddard of American Idol fame to show up at Collinwood to claim his inheritance.
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ROFLMAO, Julian!!! I would lay some cures on you if I had the ability. [bigok]
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In a recent interview, KLS mentioned that she would love to see Lara Parker and herself reunited as Angelique and Maggie/Josette, running a bed-and-breakfast in Collinsport, and torturing each other a la WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO BABY JANE?
Given the DS characters' seeming fondness for dysfunctional relationships, I think that would be an absolutely perfect element for a new series, especially if KLS were allowed to play the heavy this time around.
"Butcha ARE, Angelique! Ya are in that wheelchair!"
Regards,
John
And how about a follow-up with both redoing Hush, Hush, Sweet Charlotte? Angelique is the only one left at Collinwood and it's about to be bulldozed to make room for Disneymaine, and she refuses to budge, having gone rather "eccentric". So along comes Maggie Evans to "convince" her it's time to move. Of course, someone will have to take over the part of Mrs. Johnson, playing it ala Agnes Moorehead. Lara Parker can even dig up her original southern accent: "This is mah house, an ain't no one gonna tear it down!"
Gerard
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Really, a son of Barnabas, I wasn't aware that the dead were able to have offspring. [confused5] I suppose anything is possible on DS.
Love all your ideas.
Tanis
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TANIS!!! I'm thrilled to see you posting!!! ;)
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There was a chat with someone at DCP several years ago; mid-90s, when DC was having one of his usual "I'm going to do DS again" flings. This was before I was ever contracted for Dreams of the Dark. (Someone here may remember the event better than I do.) I specifically brought up the point that, if DS were to come back, wouldn't it be a better idea to NOT rehash the original Barnabas story again? I was pretty much dismissed, with DC's proxy stating, "Oh, no, Barnabas and Josette are the foundation of Dark Shadows, and real DS fans would certainly prefer to see that story."
I was not enthused, to say the least. I'm sorely afraid that if a new series should ever come to pass--which I frankly doubt--it would be another retread. There's also the fact that DC is getting up there a bit in years, and if he really plans to do DS again, I suspect he would have to do it relatively soon if he intends to be personally involved in it. Look at it this way; if he were to get approval for a DS TV project tomorrow, it wouldn't surprise me if it took two full years before it ever saw broadcast--which is just reason, as far as DC is concerned, to fall back on the original story; it's already written, thus less new territory to forge into.
--Mark
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"Oh, no, Barnabas and Josette are the foundation of Dark Shadows, and real DS fans would certainly prefer to see that story."
As opposed to all the fake ones . . . ;D
Is there a reason that all television execs are always this stupid?
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I think a great idea for a story would be for Ruben Stoddard of American Idol fame to show up at Collinwood to claim his inheritance.
Fabulous!!! :o
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I think you all are on the right track. Collinwood revisited would be so very good if they did a whole "new generation" of Collins and yet refering to the past. The options for story lines would be numerous. They could even go back and final tell the "true" story of Vicki Winters. The only way I could see the Barnster with a child is one he never knew about. That always is a good soap ploy to add new charactors. A child whose's parents say could have been Angie and Barnster-- what a thought. Oh well.we cam dream can't we.
Birdie
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I think you all are on the right track. Collinwood revisited would be so very good if they did a whole "new generation" of Collins and yet refering to the past. The options for story lines would be numerous. They could even go back and final tell the "true" story of Vicki Winters. The only way I could see the Barnster with a child is one he never knew about. That always is a good soap ploy to add new charactors. A child whose's parents say could have been Angie and Barnster-- what a thought. Oh well.we cam dream can't we.
Birdie
This would be a great idea. I especially would love to see and hear more on Vicky's parentage, something that I felt anyway, was just kind of left hanging up in the air long ago. Great ideas everyone!
Deb
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NG...perfect...here's my 2 cents:
David (played perhaps by Jason Patric), returns from So. America (hey, the truth is always stranger than fiction) with his wife (played by Megan Follows or Mare Winningham).
David has tried to deny (to himself) what may or may not have happened at Collinwood; he has never confided in anyone for fear of taunting.
When! 'things' start happening (of course, to the WIFE, she will be a 'Collins Wife'!!) she has no knowledge of how commonplace/credible it is; she doesn't confide in David.
TLATKLS will be the Mayor of Collinsport; running the local Chamber of Commerce.
After maybe 5 eps; David will get a call from an old family friend Amy (played by Winona Ryder), who is down on her luck...can I come stay at Collinwood? Of Course!
Amy is hiding more than a few secrets from anyone; what a better place to 'hide' than Maine.....
David, who wanted nothing to do with the business world has earned his medical degree. He is offered a job with the now joint venture of Wyndcliff/Collinsport Mercy Hospital.
Lo and behold...while David's doing rounds...who does he see as the head HVAC mechanic? His old friend Willie!
Just a starter....
Patti
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Great ideas, Patti! Especially love the idea of TLATLKLS as Mayor of Collinsport.
I still like the idea of a David/Amy lovematch, but on second thought, it may be even more interesting if they encounter each other when David returns to Collinwood and begin a tumultuous relationship right there in the midst of all those family skeletons, ghosts, ghoulies, hexes, blood suckers, satan worshippers, witches, devils and liquid spirits. A rich stew that .... yes?
Amy has more than a few of her own secrets as you say, but is she a mere mortal like David or one of THEM? Is she a help or a hindrance? Will this be a lesson in love and loyalty ultimately conquering and redeeming all or is that simply too, too cliched? [coolbrows]
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I still like the idea of a David/Amy lovematch, but on second thought, it may be even more interesting if they encounter each other when David returns to Collinwood and begin a tumultuous relationship right there in the midst of all those family skeletons, ghosts, ghoulies, hexes, blood suckers, satan worshippers, witches, devils and liquid spirits. A rich stew that .... yes?
Amy has more than a few of her own secrets as you say, but is she a mere mortal like David or one of THEM? Is she a help or a hindrance? Will this be a lesson in love and loyalty ultimately conquering and redeeming all or is that simply too, too cliched? [coolbrows]
i don't care who David marries as long as it isn't Hallie
:o :oi could not bear to listen to her again :o :o
jennifer
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I always kinda pictured Maggie after [spoiler]being released from Wyndcliffe in 1971 picking up and moving far away,[/spoiler] eventually settling in California where she marries, lives a very successful life with her husband (who's a renowned news photographer, to catch something from real life), raises a family, and now with the kids off to their own lives, decides with her husband to return to Collinsport where she still owns the cottage (it's rented out during her interim away) as a sortuva retirement nest (they've retired early due to their financial success), she and Carolyn resuming their friendship. Of course, then all the action with TNG characters begins.
Gerard
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Thinking about the idea of a new DS series, I got a minor flash of inspiration and put together a mock title sequence for a new version - kinda tenuous I guess, but I figured people might enjoy it.
It's Realplayer and a little over 1mb:
http://www.collinwood.net/vids/dsopener.rm
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I figured people might enjoy it.
Might enjoy it? Stuart, that left me breathless! Fabulous work, and the addition of the Kylie Minogue song struck a perfect chord.
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Oh my goddess!.....was that not the coolest thing?
A little 2K editing and some current music and suddenly Dark Shadows looks like it was produced last week!!!
[clap]
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See? That's all it takes is a fresh new outlook and hip music to bring Dark Shadows into the 21st Century. It can still have a modern storyline infused with gothic flavor and music to match. Great job, Stuart!!
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Very nice, Stuart. Bravo! Thanks for sharing it.
dom
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Dark Shadows and Kylie Minogue! What more is needed! Perfect!
Gerard
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Stuart....whoosh!!!
I don't know the music artist...but it sounded great.
As for what YOU did.....
words.....
FABULOUS
INGENIOUS
TALENTED
CREATIVE
FUN
thank you....how do you all learn to do this awesome stuff?
Patti
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Wow - glad people enjoyed it... and there was me convinced I'd be lynched for changing the theme tune ;)
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Now that was very cool. I -really- like you what did there, Stuart. Got any more such things up yer sleeve...? ;)
--Mark
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I think you will find that we are an open bunch of folks. We just would like our show back on the air. Although Colbert's music is truly haunting and I love it much.
Another great song that would work so well with Dark Shadows footage is Haunted by Evanescence.
Well hope you will do more of these Stuart. Very sweet of you to share it.
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Carolyn and David would be great. I think David should be David Duchovony, Carolyn should be Jodie Foster, and Amy should be Heather Graham.
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Got any more such things up yer sleeve...? ;)
I was bored today, so I did a little tinkering and here's a version with a faux "recap" sequence, segueing into the titles:
http://www.collinwood.net/vids/dsrecap.rm
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here's a version with a faux "recap" sequence, segueing into the titles:
Wow, better still. Fabulous editing, Stuart!
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Who should play David and Amy? Any two actors who look like real people, and not like Barbie and Ken.
Excuse me, but aren't David and Amy cousins, albeit distant cousins? Do we really want to broach the possibility of incest on Dark Shadows? (But, then again, didn't Laura Murdoch-Stockbridge marry both Edward Collins AND Edward's grandson, Roger Collins?)
As to possible current actors for David and Amy, how about:
Anson Williams and Ann Heche or,
George Clooney and Penny Marshall or,
Sean Penn and Kathie Lee Gifford or,
Tim Robbins and Shannon Doherty?
Of course, as a somewhat older Buzz Hackett, how about the multi-talented Richard Grieco? And, as the Eagle Hill Cemetery Caretaker, the venerable Bill Macy from "Maude" would be just perfect. My choice for bartender Bob Rooney would be the always loquacious Malachy McCourt.
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Stuart...you are a MASTER.
Thanks & Happy Anniversary!!
Patti
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I hope you'll share more of these, Stewart. They're a lot of fun to watch.
dom
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DC, give that man a job!
;)
--Mark
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Mark Rainey...not sure...but is your avatar GODZILLA??
If so...way kewl dude!!!
Patti
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Mark Rainey...not sure...but is your avatar GODZILLA??
If so...way kewl dude!!!
I think it's Rodan!
Gerard (Who Loved Godzilla Movies [And Other Toho Movie Monsters] Back In The Sixties As Much As He Loved DS)
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OH NO...
there goes Tokyo...oh NO!
GODZILLA!!!!
Patti
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Mark Rainey...not sure...but is your avatar GODZILLA??
Neg, that there's Rodan. Apart from being a diehard daikaiju nut, Rodan is my handle on the Aces High Combat Flight Sim that I play online. The Damned is the name of the squadron I fly with, hence my email "DamnedRodan."
--Mark
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Apart from being a diehard daikaiju nut, Rodan is my handle on the Aces High Combat Flight Sim that I play online. The Damned is the name of the squadron I fly with, hence my email "DamnedRodan."
So that's it! All this time, I thought that e-mail address meant you really hated the guy who played Adam, lol.
ProfStokes
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WOW! Stuart, that was fantastic! It looked like it came right out of VH1 video hits! I loved the song too! And it fit so nicely with the pictures.
Cassandra
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Neg, that there's Rodan. Apart from being a diehard daikaiju nut, Rodan is my handle on the Aces High Combat Flight Sim that I play online. The Damned is the name of the squadron I fly with, hence my email "DamnedRodan."
Aw geez, now I have to find another way to swear besides "damn Ed Rodan!"
;)
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Stuart, that is totally amazing! I've watched it three times and have loved it more with each replay.
Thanks so much. It really makes me ache for a DS remake with some of the old characters and a cast of young, attractive next generation actors and actresses to resurrect the problems at Collinwood.
Good show, Stuart!
Love, Robin
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Aw geez, now I have to find another way to swear besides "damn Ed Rodan!"
Nah, this is a perfectly legitimate expletive. In fact, I strongly encourage its use.
--Mark
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Stuart, you are BRILLIANT!! I absolutely loved it!
Bob The Bartender wrote:
My choice for bartender Bob Rooney would be the always loquacious Malachy McCourt.
[thumb]Excellent casting call Bob! I remember Malachy as a bartender on Ryan's Hope! Soap Net has recently started rerunning Ryan's Hope from the beginning and at some point soon they'll be up to the time when they'll have the eps with Nancy Barrett as Faith Colleridge!
Ed, er, Mark wrote:
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Aw geez, now I have to find another way to swear besides "damn Ed Rodan!"
Nah, this is a perfectly legitimate expletive. In fact, I strongly encourage its use.
Just don't call Mark...Ed! Tends to make him grumpier than usual![/color]
Always, Minja [coolbrows][/size]
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at some point soon they'll be up to the time when they'll have the eps with Nancy Barrett as Faith Colleridge!
I love Nancy Barrett's work, but even she admits that she was painfully miscast as Ryan's Hope's Faith (which is probably why she played the role for so short a time). Barrett's best post-DS soap roles were probably as Cathy Ryker on "The Doctors" and as Rachel Wilson, a terminally ill patient, on "One Life To Live". (She was almost completely wasted as Deborah Van Druten on OLTL nine years later!) But still, it's always a treat to see her in anything she does. :)
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Thinking about the idea of a new DS series, I got a minor flash of inspiration and put together a mock title sequence for a new version - kinda tenuous I guess, but I figured people might enjoy it.
It's Realplayer and a little over 1mb:
http://www.collinwood.net/vids/dsopener.rm
Nice job Stuart . I especially enjoyed the photos of Louie. :)