when I first got into the series about a decade ago the old sci-fi board was my first exposure to "fandom"...


what an eye opener! i'm surprised I didn't run for the hills from the start. that godforsaken board was the sickest thing I've ever seen.

on this board perhaps...


but in other forums merely mention "the subject" and one of the schoolyard bullies is sure to read you the riot act.


like the depp/burton film it's one of the peculiarities of this fanbase that causes hysteria to arise.

incidentally before miss james was ultimately cast bella heathcote was in serious consideration for the role of 'Cinderella'.

I believe it was down to james, heathcote and one other actress(whose name I forget)before james was selected.


my only exposure to lily james is the new and very annoying lady rose on 'downton abbey'.

the 91 series in not my forte but to my recollection the family business was barely referenced if referenced at all...


I certainly don't remember the word "cannery" being tossed around with any frequency. nor any mention of financial difficulties. the main family sort of carried on like inherited wealth socialites.

I really got the impression liz and roger were just part of an establishing "presence" much like they were in the OS's later years more than the types of characters that would actually drive the narrative.


getting more OT if I recall in lara parker's atrocity 'the salem branch' liz(who, again, went unused completely as a character)either rented out Collinwood as a bed and breakfast or else had it shown to tour groups. either way it was as idiotic as the rest of the book.

while KLS certainly has the pedigree for liz I feel she lacks the requisite imperiousness...


even in her 60's there's still something of the girl-next-door(albeit one with a rather pushy touch of salesmanship)about her.


I wasn't sure if pfieffer had the right note of grandeur to pull off the role but I think she ended up doing admirably. I doubt anyone could ever top bennett when it comes to haughtiness and regality but she put her mark on the character.

I forgot to post this a few weeks back...


miss heathcote snagged an ultra-coveted invite(no easy feat)to the hyper-exclusive metropolitan museum costume institute gala. this year's theme is "punk:from chaos to couture".


here's bella looking less than chaotic in chanel haute couture and some angelique worthy eye makeup http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/2013/05/met-gala-bella-heathcote-in-chanel.html

I wasn't around at the time of the HoDS/NoDS releases but i find it hard to imagine them inspiring the sort of apoplectic, angry, almost hysterical reactions that have surrounded the film.


things have cooled off to some extent but the subject still generates very bitter emotions. I doubt i'll hear the word "travesty" used as often for anything else in my life.

members of the media, film critics and, of course, the fanbase, has had this film in it's crosshairs from the outset. perhaps the depp/burton pairing simply inspires a particular brand of hostility from certain camps who revel in any perceived "failures" on their part.


and certainly the "fans" still haven't piped down a year later. over on the FB boards it's still bemoaned as if it was released yesterday and it's mere mention inevitably leads to the same deluge of complaints that it wasn't "serious".

unfortunately this discontent has woven itself into the very fabric of the DS culture where it remains as a sour, unpleasant undercurrent in the whole thing. it's never going to go away.