DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '06 II => Topic started by: I Ching on September 04, 2006, 03:16:39 AM
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For any of you lucky enough to have picked up the new "Dark Shadows: Bloopers and Treasures" DVD at the Fest, does it contain the most famous blooper of all--the one involving Bathis Mapes (played by Anita Bolster)?
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Hi katsfan,
Yes, the new DVD contains pretty much the original "Blooper VHS," including that famous hottie, Bathia Mapes, although that section wasn't really expanded. (Although some MPI promo clip bloopers are included separately) For example, the Parallel Time ending credits with the crew guy eating his sandwich was NOT added for example. :-X The DVD is well worth it, tho. There's also the "Music Videos" as it was on VHS. (No fan videos included, wish they would have added Guy Haines video of the Pet Shop Boys "Always on My Mind," Julia and Barnabas tribute.) The old games shows are a genuine "Treasure", not the usual hype. This segment, previously seen in clips at fests, have three "What's My Line?" appearances, those of Joan Bennett, Jonathan Frid and Alex Stevens in character as the Werewolf. [Wolfie] A much rarer show, "The Generation Gap," has three edits as well, Jonathan in character as Barnabas (1897 costume), Jonathan as a guest contestant, and David Henesey and his mom playing against each other. These segments are amazing time capsules, and its truly cool to see such other celebs as Soupy Sales (lots of Soupy!, and one of his sons), Sandy Baron (Seinfeld's Jack Klompus), Mom Cowsill, Alejandro Ray (looking like a Sergio Aragones caricature of himself, eh Sister Bertille?), Arlene Francis of course and more, all in their prime of (their game show) life. The clips are from '69-'70. Also included are two brief sketches from "Comedy Tonight" with Jerry Lacey, one with Diana Canova (from "Soap") and the late and dearly missed Madeline Khan, the latter of which is a Dark Shadows spoof; an all new segment of Lara Parker in Salem, Mass , a nicely produced look at the witch trials and the tourist industry there; some new promos for David Selby's book, and a very Gothic spot for the new audio dramas, a brief tease for the new CD box, Lara's new book, and MPI itself; and making its DVD debut, the amazing and almost indescribable "Dark Shadows Horror Heads" tv commercial! "Groovy! [flower] Cuddly! From Centsable Toys, who make lots of stuffed things for YOU!" [_witch_]
Now, that as they say, is worth the price of admission....
Michael [banana2]
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For example, the Parallel Time ending credits with the crew guy eating his sandwich was NOT added for example.
Is that on the VHS? I grabbed what looked like the last bloopers disc off the MPI table on Saturday, was so psyched to watch it with the wife. We cracked up. Can't wait to watch more eps and see these clips in context. We just hit the end of Collection 4, and the beginning of the 1795 story, and it's a blast so far.
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For example, the Parallel Time ending credits with the crew guy eating his sandwich was NOT added for example.
All "bloopers" actually went out over the air, right? So what episode is that? To make things really easy for me, what tape number if anyone has it please? I just saw PT again and missed it.
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All "bloopers" actually went out over the air, right?
I guess not every blooper was aired; on some very rare occasions, if a blooper was really bad, they had no choice but to bite the financial bullet and reshoot a scene. On one of the MPI videos - I don't remember which one - they showed a reshoot of a scene where Julia was having a conversation with Tony Peterson in his office, although I couldn't see what the blooper was. Maybe it was something on the technical end, like a camera jamming or something. I also heard, but wonder if it's just a DS urban legend, that once in a blue moon, when the performers really, really wanted a blown scene reshot, even though they were told that if things screwed up they just had to keep going, that they would stop, look into the camera and say an expletive. Then there was no choice but to reshoot. Like I said, as to whether or not this was true, I don't know. But it makes for a good story.
Gerard
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I also heard, but wonder if it's just a DS urban legend, that once in a blue moon, when the performers really, really wanted a blown scene reshot, even though they were told that if things screwed up they just had to keep going, that they would stop, look into the camera and say an expletive. Then there was no choice but to reshoot. Like I said, as to whether or not this was true, I don't know.
Not urban legane, true. Can't remember if it was in Scrapbook Memories or the DS Companion, or whether it was KLS or Lara who told the tale, although I'm really thinking Lara, that Jonathan would do this often. According to her telling, he was the only one w/enough nerve to do it. ;)
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On one of the MPI videos - I don't remember which one - they showed a reshoot of a scene where Julia was having a conversation with Tony Peterson in his office, although I couldn't see what the blooper was.
That's included on the bloopers DVD under "Outtakes". The picture goes black for a second. An off camera voice says to take it from the top, and Grayson Hall icily says "WHY?".
I saw evidence of an edit recently - it's on collection 4, old house, Barnabas and (I think) Vicki, shortly before 1795 kicks in. It's an awkward cut from a medium shot of the two of them two another medium shot of the two of them in a slightly different position. It seems to be an edit that happened at the time, but I can't decipher the reason.
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Hi katsfan,
Yes, the new DVD contains pretty much the original "Blooper VHS," including that famous hottie, Bathia Mapes, although that section wasn't really expanded. [banana2]
Thanks for the report. I'm really looking foreward to getting it in November.
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Can't remember if it was in Scrapbook Memories or the DS Companion, or whether it was KLS or Lara who told the tale, although I'm really thinking Lara, that Jonathan would do this often. According to her telling, he was the only one w/enough nerve to do it. ;)
I don't know about who really did or didn't do it, but Selby told the story about this particular trick in the Q&A that followed his Lincoln and James performance at the 1997 Fest. He says Grayson Hall offered it as a bit of advice which she had supposedly received from Richard Burton when filiming Night of the Iguana. I think RJ's Grayson bio also mentions Burton passing this along to Grayson.
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Anyone say which expletives? And why wasn't KLS scooping those bits of edited tape out of the trash, like she did with Frid's hair? Frid turning to the camera and saying F! in his rich round resonant voice would be a hot commodity now.
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Anyone say which expletives?
The version Selby told involved using the word "shit."
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Anyone say which expletives?
The version Selby told involved using the word "shit."
Yeah, Lara said Jonathan would say "Oh shit". He does this in Seizure too, but I'm not 100% it wasn't scripted. However, having said that, it IS a weird edit so I think he did go up and for whatever reason, the movie's editor missed that blooper and left it in. ;D
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The version Selby told involved using the word "shit."
That was probably the case. JF won't use the "F" word in front of women. Usually.
Nancy
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Regarding Jerry Lacy's Comedy Tonight appearance- that wasn't Diana Canova but Judy Graubart, best known for The Electric Company, where she worked with Denise Nickerson post-DS. Jerry himself confirmed it at the banquet last Sunday- his table was next to mine (actually we were back to back, and I had the delightful Kathryn Leigh Scott as a table compaion, but that's another story.....).
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that outake with grayson hall and jerry lacy was on the vhs mpi blooper tape and i hope its on the dvd as well. i think its rehearsal footage that accidentally wound up as the 1st scene in an episode when DS was 1st syndicated in the mid 70s. wwac in atlantic city was the last station to air it. then it was corrected when worldvision prepared new tapes for wnbc in new york. i saved the out take. years later jim pierson contacted me for a copy and i gave it to him. i got no credit on the vhs tape. he did give me a free copy! thanks jim! i doubt i got credit on the dvd either. i will hold my breath waiting for my free copy of the dvd. lol
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Joe, if it makes you feel any better I was the person who got Jonathan Frid to participate this year and make the videotape. I wasn't even acknowledged in any way. The fans enjoyed it and that was the goal.
Nancy
that outake with grayson hall and jerry lacy was on the vhs mpi blooper tape and i hope its on the dvd as well. i think its rehearsal footage that accidentally wound up as the 1st scene in an episode when DS was 1st syndicated in the mid 70s. wwac in atlantic city was the last station to air it. then it was corrected when worldvision prepared new tapes for wnbc in new york. i saved the out take. years later jim pierson contacted me for a copy and i gave it to him. i got no credit on the vhs tape. he did give me a free copy! thanks jim! i doubt i got credit on the dvd either. i will hold my breath waiting for my free copy of the dvd. lol
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Joe, if it makes you feel any better I was the person who got Jonathan Frid to participate this year and make the videotape. I wasn't even acknowledged in any way. The fans enjoyed it and that was the goal.
In that regard, fandom's not a whole lot different from other situations where a group of people come together to contribute to a project. Ultimately, you have to decide whether just knowing people enjoy the end result is enough for you or whether it's important to you that you be acknowledged for what you do, and there's certainly nothing wrong with that either. I don't necessarily want to be acknowledged for everything I do because anonymity affords a higher level of privacy and a certain degree of freedom. On the other hand, there's nothing like someone else taking credit for something I've done to make me become very public and very vocal about my efforts. ;D
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that outake with grayson hall and jerry lacy was on the vhs mpi blooper tape and i hope its on the dvd as well.
It's on the DVD.
i saved the out take. years later jim pierson contacted me for a copy and i gave it to him. i got no credit on the vhs tape. he did give me a free copy! thanks jim! i doubt i got credit on the dvd either. i will hold my breath waiting for my free copy of the dvd. lol
It's a crime that you didn't get credit Joe, that really sucks! But don't feel TOO bad, Bobubas didn't get credit either for finding the commercial of the Barnabas Collins game w/Jonathan and Terryane Crawford. So you're in GOOD company. ;)
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Well put, MsCriseyde. Hearing the roar of that crowd when they recognized the voice as being that of JF and the initial response to the video was "payment" enough. That gave me a great deal of pleasure. I'm in the entertainment business and I do that via through my own work or presenting other people. Many other people contribute without being publicly acknowledged for various reasons.
Nancy
In that regard, fandom's not a whole lot different from other situations where a group of people come together to contribute to a project. Ultimately, you have to decide whether just knowing people enjoy the end result is enough for you or whether it's important to you that you be acknowledged for what you do, and there's certainly nothing wrong with that either. I don't necessarily want to be acknowledged for everything I do because anonymity affords a higher level of privacy and a certain degree of freedom. On the other hand, there's nothing like someone else taking credit for something I've done to make me become very public and very vocal about my efforts. ;D
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Well put, MsCriseyde. Hearing the roar of that crowd when they recognized the voice as being that of JF and the initial response to the video was "payment" enough. That gave me a great deal of pleasure. I'm in the entertainment business and I do that via through my own work or presenting other people. Many other people contribute without being publicly acknowledged for various reasons.
And what a roar of satisfaction and surprise it was! That was such a special, unexpected treat. I think that's great that JF did that for the fans, what a great gift. Thanks so much to him, and to you!
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That was probably the case. JF won't use the "F" word in front of women. Usually.
Aw...that's adorable. What a gentleman. Rare these days.
And why wasn't KLS scooping those bits of edited tape out of the trash, like she did with Frid's hair?
Huh? :o
Is that really true? What's the story behind this? When...where...?
What did she do with it?
(That's not the hair that happens to be framed and hanging on the kitchen wall of one of our cousins, is it?)
::)
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For example, the Parallel Time ending credits with the crew guy eating his sandwich was NOT added for example.
All "bloopers" actually went out over the air, right? So what episode is that? To make things really easy for me, what tape number if anyone has it please? I just saw PT again and missed it.
This is in the end credits of episode 999, I believe (just going by memory here). It's the PT episode that ends with Quentin, Cyrus and Alexis opening Angelique's coffin. The crew member is clearing chewing away on his sandwich and it lasts at least a minute before the camera slowly pulls in on the PT portrait of Angelique, cutting the crew member out of the shot.
I pointed out this blooper to Jim Pierson over a year ago and suggested he put it on the forthcoming Blooper dvd. So sorry to hear it's not there! I also suggested he expand the dvd instead of just making it a copy of the previously-released VHS. I thought MPI could have a DS cast member host (Roger Davis perhaps) set up the blooper(s) before they are shown, sorta like the Dick Clark/Ed McMahon Blooper series, so that the audience would know what to look for. I think a lot of the time, non-fans and even loyal DS fans, don't understand the blooper as it goes by so fast and then on to the next one. If the dvd had a host, the number of bloopers on one dvd would be reduced and other dvds could be produced, making MPI more money and giving fans (and non-fans) a more enjoyably paced hour of bloopers. However, this was probably not cost effective. ::)
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that outake with grayson hall and jerry lacy was on the vhs mpi blooper tape and i hope its on the dvd as well. i think its rehearsal footage that accidentally wound up as the 1st scene in an episode when DS was 1st syndicated in the mid 70s. wwac in atlantic city was the last station to air it. then it was corrected when worldvision prepared new tapes for wnbc in new york. i saved the out take. years later jim pierson contacted me for a copy and i gave it to him. i got no credit on the vhs tape. he did give me a free copy! thanks jim! i doubt i got credit on the dvd either. i will hold my breath waiting for my free copy of the dvd. lol
I can attest to the fact that if not for Joe Integlia DS fandom would not have this outtake! I knew him back when he worked for this Atlantic City station (I remember watching some of the episodes on WWAC when I visited my mom in South Jersey). As he said, the last this outtake was shown was on the Atlantic City station...er, Joe, was it actually broadcast or did you guys catch it before it aired? When this episode aired on New Jersey Network, we looked for this outtake (yes, Grayson's droll "Why?" to the director was thrilling) but alas, Worldvision had erased it! :( So, thanks Joe for preserviing this!!!
Several other rare video items appeared in the early days of the DS fandom thanks to DS fans. The late Joe Collins brought a tape to the first (or second) Festival containing multiple promos for HoDS and NoDS. To our surprise, right in the middle of these promos was a copy of the DS Horror Heads commercial. I'm not sure whether or not Jim Pierson found another copy of the Horror Heads commercial to use on the dvd. Perhaps what is on the Blooper dvd is from Joe Collins' copy.
Also that year, Joe Integlia introduced me to a fan who had a copy of Jonathan Frid's appearance on the Merv Griffin show. We made copies for everyone in my Gateway Hilton room. Thanks to her, we had that rarity for many years.
SDP
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Joe, if it makes you feel any better I was the person who got Jonathan Frid to participate this year and make the videotape. I wasn't even acknowledged in any way. The fans enjoyed it and that was the goal.
I thanked you privately, Nancy, and now I thank you here! It was a wonderful treat and a big surprise! :D
SDP
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i created a blooper reel many years ago and used the technology i had available from the tv station i was working at the time. i would superimpose little dots or arrows pointing to what to look for on the screen. when they previewed the blooper dvd at the festival i noticed they had arrows pointing out certain bloopers. i dont remember that being in the mpi vhs blooper tape.
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anonymity affords a higher level of privacy and a certain degree of freedom.
Exactly.
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yes that outake did air in atlantic city. i was not previewing the tapes at that time. i kinda knew it was coming because i saw the same outake air in the mid 70s on wkbs tv in philadelphia. i just couldnt remember exactly which episode it was. i remember sitting in the control room as this episode was airing and thinking that this is the one and before i knew it everyone heard "cut" and we all went into a panic and were running around looking for a "please stand by" slide to put on the air! as for the merv griffin show, that came right from jonathan frid. i was friends with a girl who worked at abc in new york and she knew frid well. from what she told me, it was merv griffin that gave the segment to jonathan and he kept it but had no way of playing it because it was on the giant 2" videotape that was used in the 60s. abc also gave some kinescope episodes to jonathan. he gave all this to the girl. she copied the 2" merv segment to vhs at abc. she lent me the kinescopes and i transfered those to vhs at the tv station i was working at the time in exchange for a copy of the merv tape. the kinescoped episodes and that merv segment got circulated around fandom long before mpi released the merv segment on dvd. the kinescopes were treasures at the time too because the episodes had not yet been syndicated and they had original commercials. ah what memories of early fandom when just seeing an episode not seen since the 60s was such a treat!
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What episodes were they, Joe? Just curious...
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Yes, you did. ;) You didn't have to clutch at my feet however. >:D
But my purpose in stating the above is that my observation has been it is more the exception than the rule for contributors to overall fandom to be "credited." That's not to say that is appropriate, but just how it is for whatever reason. For example, Joe has been around for a long time in the fandom and has probably contributed far more than what we are talking about in terms of discovering this and that or sharing information about how to get ahold of something. I've done lots of things "behind the scenes" as have others as a contribution towards the fandom and it's not really been noted. In fact, I've been thanked for things I had nothing to do with!
Nancy
I thanked you privately, Nancy, and now I thank you here! It was a wonderful treat and a big surprise! :D
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Is that really true? What's the story behind this? When...where...? What did she do with it?
Yep, she told this story at a Fest many years ago. She'd had the day off but went to the studio to get her paycheck or shooting schedule, can't remember which, and Jon was there gettting a haircut from Vinnie Loscalzo. She went in to say hello and noticed all the hair on the floor. She asked Jon, "Jonathan, is that ALL your hair?" He looked down and said, "Yep" and she replied, "We should sweep it up and sell it one day, I bet we'd get a ton of money for it!" (even then she had that businesswoman mind going, LOL!). Jon replied w/something like, "Oh don't be silly, go on!" But she swept it up and put it away.
Years later, at a Fest, she indeed sold it in one of the 2 auctions. Can't remember the price they got for it, but it was pretty steep, couple hundred bucks as I recall. ;) I often joke w/friends that she has his gall bladder from that surgery he underwent and has it in a jar of fermeldahyde (sp?) w/plans to auction IT off one day, LOL! ;)
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Also that year, Joe Integlia introduced me to a fan who had a copy of Jonathan Frid's appearance on the Merv Griffin show. We made copies for everyone in my Gateway Hilton room. Thanks to her, we had that rarity for many years.
What *I* want to know is, does ANYONE have the interview Jonathan did on The Mike Douglas Show? That's one I'd really like to see. I've really enjoyed watching the blooper DVD, not for the bloopers or music videos 'cause I've got both those tapes, but for the extras. It's WELL worth the $20 just for the 'extras', even the Salem thing LP did was interesting, especially since I've been to Salem. Would actually like to go back when we have more time that just a couple hours, to look around. Maybe that can be a future road trip, spend a day or two in Salem! But I especially enjoyed the game shows, seeing Alex, Jon and Joan on What's My Line and Jon on Generation Gap was cool. ;)
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Years later, at a Fest, she indeed sold it in one of the 2 auctions. Can't remember the price they got for it, but it was pretty steep, couple hundred bucks as I recall. ;)
The hair raised $325 for the Juvenile Diabetes Foundation.
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I really wish someone with the right connections would go through the masters for the 1970 episodes with the original commercials because a number of people have told me that Grayson Hall's Playtex commercial aired a number of times during DS in that year and this may be the only way to get hold of a copy of it--since it has failed to show up on various commercial compilations from the era.
I know it seems really compulsive to devote so much energy to this, but I know for a fact that I'm not the only fan who would really get a kick out of seeing that commercial again. I have this really vague memory of it and every time I think of GH talking about a really scientific bra for today's woman... well, it gives me a smile!
Best, G.
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The hair raised $325 for the Juvenile Diabetes Foundation.
Wow, that's a hairy thought.
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Wow, that's a hairy thought.
I was found it rather hair-raising myself. ;D
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[lghy] KLS knows how to part fans from their money. ::)
Connie, you were probably thinking about this post:
Connie, about 15 years ago my cousin and I were going to Maine to see Stephen Kings mansion, and we stopped in NYC to stay with my cousin friend overnight. While there we were looking at her "stuff" and there was Jonathan Frids hair. ...
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The hair raised $325 for the Juvenile Diabetes Foundation.
See? I *knew* the hair raised a couple C-Notes! And to a very worthy cause I might add! ;)
KLS knows how to part fans from their money. ::)
In my BEST Linda Richman voice, "Yes, she does!" ;) And I respect her for it. ;D
I really wish someone with the right connections would go through the masters for the 1970 episodes with the original commercials because a number of people have told me that Grayson Hall's Playtex commercial aired a number of times during DS in that year and this may be the only way to get hold of a copy of it--since it has failed to show up on various commercial compilations from the era. I know it seems really compulsive to devote so much energy to this, but I know for a fact that I'm not the only fan who would really get a kick out of seeing that commercial again.
I'm one of them!
P.S. To the moderators, I can't seem to get the extra icons to load, twice now when I click on MORE the board freezes. :(
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To the moderators, I can't seem to get the extra icons to load, twice now when I click on MORE the board freezes. :(
I don't know what to tell you because the page has been coming up fine for me. Which browser are you using?
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I don't know what to tell you because the page has been coming up fine for me.
Well, now I'm thinking it might be my computer or the company's Internet connection as it just happened on the IMDb page. I was typing my reply to Gothick's wish to get the Platex commercial and was going to add that OVER HERE smiley. When I clicked on MORE for the extra icons, it froze on me.
After posting this, I'm gonna try to open that page again. ;)
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To the moderators, I can't seem to get the extra icons to load, twice now when I click on MORE the board freezes. :(
I don't know what to tell you because the page has been coming up fine for me.
Same here. Hmmm... [idontknow] But perhaps it has something to do with your Internet connection. If so, the problem *should* resolve itself - *eventually*. ;)
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Well, now I'm thinking it might be ... the company's Internet connection as it just happened on the IMDb page.
See - what was I just saying? :D
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i remember the kinescopes being one when barnabas got old and one from 1795. those 2 had already been syndicatd at that time bu then there was one or two from 1968 when they were trying to create eve and use carolyn as the life force and then one or two from 1897. i would also liketo see frid on mike and also he did dick cavett show a few times. joan bennett was on mike again in the mid 70s promoting susperia and mentioned still getting fan mail from ds fans.
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i would also liketo see frid on mike and also he did dick cavett show a few times. joan bennett was on mike again in the mid 70s promoting susperia and mentioned still getting fan mail from ds fans.
I wish the Fest/MPI had dug up any on air interviews given by Thayer and Grayson either during the run of the show or shortly therafter where maybe they spoke about the show for the 25th Anniversary tape MPI did back in 1990 (wow, hard to believe that I got into fandom at the 24th Anniversary and we've just celebrated the 40th, but I digress...).
They did this for Joan (the above-mentioned Mike Douglas interview) and Kate Jackson who I assume they weren't able to interview then, or she wasn't willing...This would be a good thing to try and do if they decided to re-issue that wonderful tape on DVD.
I'd also like to see Casting Shadows, which was done mid 80's I think, put to DVD. I've got a copy I got from a fan a LONG time ago. Then of course my FANTASY---the Cheep Production skits and Baby Dark Shadows being put on DVD. ;D
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i have many of the skits on vhs that i can put on dvd. as for baby dark shadows thats richard halperns deal.
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I have this really vague memory of it and every time I think of GH talking about a really scientific bra for today's woman... well, it gives me a smile!
I too would love to see this. YOU KNOW WHAT? If the fans were doing the DVDS and not just MPI head honchos who could care less then all this stuff would be dug up and we would have some great stuff on our hands. Sadly, we will probably never see this stuff. I wonder if MPI is even interested in trying to do some more compliation DVDS with stuff like this on it. I would also love to see Grayson's interview on one of the talk shows which I beleive is listed in the almanac and occured in 1970. I think she appeared with Jon if I am not mistaken.
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I thought the MPI people were fans.
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Well maybe they are but they DON'T come up with good idea's like I hear from most fans on this boards.