DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '10 II => Topic started by: Joeytrom on July 27, 2010, 03:46:07 PM
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These are main characters that had never had a lookalike in either their own time period or a different time period. I do not count a ghost of a character or a character pretending to be someone else (Cassandra, Olivia Corey, etc) as a lookalike. I also don’t count anyone appearing in one episode or Parallel Time.
1795:
Barnabas Collins, Sarah Collins, Angelique, Bathia Mapes, Suki Forbes, Judge, Riggs
1840:
Samantha Collins, Randall Drew, Roxanne Drew, Jeremy Grimes, Daphne Harridge, Gerard Stiles, Judah Zachary, Joanna Mills, Judge
1897:
King Johnny Romano, Amanda Harris, Julianka, Istvin, Garth Blackwood
Present:
Victoria Winters, Bill Malloy, Sheriff Carter, Dr. Woodard, Dr. Guthrie, Richard Garner, Frank Garner, Sheriff Patterson, Adam, Janet Findlay, Phillip Todd, Schyuler Rumson, Sheriff Davenport
Is there some I missed?
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Buzz Hackett & (original host body) Pansy Faye.
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when vicki was transported to the past everyone she met with the exception of three people(angelique,peter bradford and noah gifford)looked like someone she knew in the present. a phenomenon she never failed to call out and which ended up causing her no end of grief. whenever a new character entered a scene vicki's face had to register "shock" at their resemblance to the person she knew in 1967.
what was funny was when she returned to the present and she encountered the three people who looked like(or were) the people she had met in the past who didn't look like the people she knew in the present she had to register "shock" yet again up to and including crashing a car! didn't vicki ever get tired of mistaken identity?
i can't recall her reaction to tony peterson if they ever met. and when she met professor stokes in 1968 did she think he looked like ben stokes or matthew morgan?
it's all to much to take in. [ghost_blink]
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Believe it or not, Vicky never met Tony Peterson at all pre or post 1795! So, she had no reaction to seeing Trask the first time they met.
Vickie saw Prof. Stokes as resembling Ben, not Matthew. Barnabas saw the resemblence to Ben and was stunned, though the other members of the Collins family never acknowledged the resemblence.
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And then, think of all the lookalikes that co-existed in the same timeframe:
1897:
Rachel Drummond & Kitty Soames
Dirk Wilkins & Charles Delaware Tate
Present Day:
Timothy Stokes & Matthew Morgan
Jeff Clark & Ned Stuart
Jeb Hawkes & Sebastian Shaw
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Vickie may have seen Prof. Stokes as resembling Ben, but she thought Ben was Matthew when she first met him. If A=B and B=C, then A SHOULD =C as well. The family was probably used to lookalikes living in Collinsport all their lives, or they were too polite to notice.
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Vicki's reactions to people in 1795 kept reminding me of the Wizard of Oz. At the end when she was back in 1968 I wish there had been scene where she was in bed and Liz, Carolyn, Roger and Julia were clustering around and she said:"And you were there, and YOU were there and you, and you... and some of it was terrible but some of it was wonderful..."
They did have characters reacting to Ned's resemblance to Jeff, and Sebastian's resemblance to Jeb. Poor Carolyn initially thought Sebastian was Jeb back from the dead.
G.
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Alexandra Moltke once revealed in an interview the she had trouble maintaining "Respect for Victoria" because she was "Pathologically Naive" so the fact that she could easily confuse Mathew, Ben and Elliot comes as no surprise. [ghost_wacko]
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I think what really set Vicky off when she saw Ben Stokes in 1795 was that he was doing something with the fireplace, just as she had seen Matthew Morgan doing in 1966.
I think Laura Collins and Ezra Braithwaite can be added to the list of non-lookalikes.
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I so wish they'd dropped the thing about resemblances ASAP. I suppose that they thought the audience required some acknowledgement of the similarities, since entire casts on TV shows didn't just start playing all new characters en masse, suddenly. If Victoria "ignored" it, the audience might have been thrown by that.
If they intended never to reveal any explanation though, they should have stopped mentioning resemblances and given the audience a chance to get used to the new characters and get it into their heads that actors can play more than one role. They did it in 1897, but then in 1970 a hundred question marks are raised about Sebastian being Jeb, which they just expect you to forget about later. Slap a funny moustache on Sebastian and don't bring up Jeb...
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I think they had to acknowledge the resemblence to Jeb as he was Carolyn's husband who died recently. It would have been awkward not to.
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What really perplexed me was the incredibly pointless introduction of Millicent Collins--she enters the house, Viki lunges at her exclaiming 'Carolyn!' and then the girl apparently stays locked in her room reading romance novels for thirty episodes before appearing again. I don't think they even had another scene together after that, so they really could have let the ploy rest by that point.
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I wonder if Nancy Barrett asked to leave suddenly, and the script was already written? It could also be that they wanted to make certain that the audience, who might not tune in for several days, knew what was going on. I'd have to see the episodes again before I had any confidence in these suggestions. Those are the thoughts I have as of now, having not watched 1795 in a while.
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I think they had to acknowledge the resemblence to Jeb as he was Carolyn's husband who died recently. It would have been awkward not to.
Well, that's where the funny moustache comes in!
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I wonder if Nancy Barrett asked to leave suddenly, and the script was already written? It could also be that they wanted to make certain that the audience, who might not tune in for several days, knew what was going on. I'd have to see the episodes again before I had any confidence in these suggestions. Those are the thoughts I have as of now, having not watched 1795 in a while.
It might be that she suddenly became unavailable after that episode; it's just really strange that they introduce her and then she is 100% absent during the important story arch from the time before...
[spoiler]Jeremiah and Josette run away with each other until after Barnabas is already married to Angelique. [/spoiler]
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Justin Collins should have been played by Louis Edmonds.
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ITA having a Collins patriarch not played by LE seemed wrong. I'm assuming he didn't play Justin because of scheduling conflicts. Also seems weird that there was no David child role, but I think I've heard that the actor had left the show after 1840.
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I always wished there'd been some mention between Barnabas and Julia of who it was Julia resembled as Barnabas was very fond of Natalie and said so more than once IIRC. Okay he bites her on a return visit to 1795 (before or after Ben strangles her during another "return to 1795".. so confusing)
And Julia never made one quip about being called Countess more than once....she's quipping everywhere else post-1795.
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It might be that she suddenly became unavailable after that episode; it's just really strange that they introduce her and then she is 100% absent during the important story arch from the time before...
I would honestly have to look up exactly when it took place, but I do know that around that time Nancy Barrett and David Ford were getting divorced. Considering that David Ford was highly used during the whole Barnabas, Josette, Jeremiah triangle period, it might have simply been easier on Nancy Barrett and David Ford not to both be working on the show at the same time. If you notice, once David Ford's Andre disappears from the scene, Nancy Barrett's Millicent comes back on the scene...
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I was thinking sort of along the same lines, MB, except that they got married that year instead of divorced. However, it depends on which of Ford's bios you choose to go with, because Craig's site states they married in 1968 and Stuart's says 1967. But it's the consensus that the marriage only lasted 2 years.
I'm not aware that Nancy appeared on stage during the 1795/6 story, though her resume has always been a little murky.
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Hmmm - interesting. And to further blur the issue, back in the day I bought a Daytime TV '68 yearbook and I could swear that it said they were divorced in '68. Though I honestly don't recall if it actually listed the month the divorce occurred...
But who knows? Perhaps they were simply having problems in their marriage, they preferred not to be working on the show at the same time, and the show accommodated them. [idontknow]
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Wow, that's interesting.
I think your suggestion sounds plausible, MB.
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i have always found the timing of this little domestic drama to be rather perplexing.
much has been made that after this marriage went south nancy barrett and david ford had to be kept separated on the set and that their characters could not be written into episodes together.
however if they met on the set in 1966 and ford was gone from the series by mid-1968 i wonder when all of this went down? do we know if any of this necessitated ford's departure? if the two actors simply could not work together and the producers had to make a choice barrett's character was the considerably more important.
[ghost_huh]
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After the two revisits to 1795 I am confused by Natalie's fate. I'm pretty sure Ben killed her after Josette's death, as at that point she was on her way back to Martinique so no one at Collinsport would miss her, although you'd think at some point Andre would come looking for her.
But then the Leviathon's meddling causes a new death scenerio for Josette, I wonder if Natalie was able to avoid death in that new timeline, assuming that the new timeline sticks. I'm not really a big fan of the last 1795 do over, it feels like it weakens the power of the original story. I did enjoy the second 1795 quick revisit, as it onl made slight changes to the original, unlike t the major changes the Leviathon story did, and I didn't like the changes that did happen. Josette commiting suicide over thinking she had been jilted makes her less sympathetic to me anyway. Her original death was iffy whether she killed herself or fell accidently, either way she died struggling against becoming a vampire, giving her a noble death that made the character deeper and more interesting, to me anyway.
I wonder how the new movie will do any look alikes, if the movie or any sequels do flashbacks. I figure that Vicky will also be Josette instead of Maggie, as in the 1991 series.
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Yes, the arrival/departure dates of Andre and Millicent do seem to line up (and neither of them were terribly accounted for in the story, so it seems plausible it was part of the actors domestic dispute.) That is interesting, and not something I had thought of.
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It's interesting how many times the things that were going on in real life dictated how things were done on the show.
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With regard to Vickie and her constantly mistaking 1795 characters for her present day friends, Matthew is the one that's the least surprising. Think about it. He kidnapped her and terrorized her for days (weeks?). Seeing Ben probably triggered a flashback. It's the fact that she continued this with everyone that made her seem a bit thick, I think.
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A friend came through tonight and brought me pain relief, so that's why I can go back on the computer. See, I'm not such a negative guy, world...
It just occurred to me that seeing one anaccountable double would be disorienting, but two, four, a dozen perhaps... as the doubles mount up, Victoria has to feel she's in a more colorful sort of Twilight Zone. The more doubles, the harder it was to keep her trap shut about them, possibly.
qc... Who's Justin Collins? An unused character like Oscar? What time are we talking about? ITA? Am I confused just because the analgesic hasn't fully kicked in yet? (It's getting there though... ah!) I've been watching the first DS episodes for the first time (thanks, other mysterious benefactor), and Roger sure isn't any patriarch here, not a responsible one anyway. Liz paid him to stay away for ten years! I'll never see Rog the same way again. Anyway, seeing a continuous string of LE patriarchs would have been mind-numbing to me. They should all have gotten to play more varied characters. Just my opinion.
I sense I may be half-babbling because the pain ebbing is a thing of great import to me, and I may even get a bit giddy soon. See, I'm talking funny, there's evidence of this already...
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Justin Collins was played by David Hurst. You may remember him as Ambassador Hodin in the HORRIBLE Star Trek ep "The Mark of Gideon". Hodin was the ambassador who refused to let the Enterprise send a search party to find Kirk. He was being held on a replica of the Enterprise that was so perfect it fooled him!!! Hurst is the only person I can think of who was in the Classic Trek TV series and DS. Philip R. Allen did the opposite. He was in DS and then made his way to Classic Trek in ST III- The Search for Spock. He played a cop or something in PT. David Hurst was the father of Quentin, Gabrial, and Morgan in 1841 PT.
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Magnus, Justin was a character in the final storyline of the series. He was only in 3 or 4 episodes. I think they aired in February of 1971.
G.
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Thanks, G...
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Hurst is the only person I can think of who was in the Classic Trek TV series and DS.
There is another. Natalie Norwick appeared in 7 episodes of DS (playing established characters, such as [spoiler]Ruby's ghost when she was summoned by the ghost of Trask to indict Barnabas)[/spoiler] and as the wife of Kirk's friend in the ST episode "Conscience of the King."
This may be my geekiest post ever.
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This may be my geekiest post ever.
Don't see why really... we do this kind of actor-spotting all the time.