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Title: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: Watching Project on April 02, 2015, 02:02:36 AM

Quote from: ROBINV on April 29, 2003, 08:40:20 PM

Robservations #916

And if you'd care to look back, the first WP discussion topic for this ep:

Quote from: Lydia on January 20, 2010, 05:58:59 AM

Re: Discuss - Ep #0916

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: DarkLady on April 06, 2015, 03:17:07 PM

Julia is having an unaccustomed brandy in the drawing room when Elizabeth enters. Julia tries to tell Elizabeth about the third boy at the antique shop--who also has a scar on his arm. Elizabeth realizes that Julia has become a danger to the Leviathans, but aloud she dismisses the birthmark as an unusual coincidence. Julia says she intends to solve the mystery. Unaware of Elizabeth's growing coldness and hostility, Julia says she wants to talk to Paul, who was the first to become alarmed about the antique shop. Elizabeth says he's being cared for by Dr. Reeves (who survives by wisely remaining off camera) and constantly sedated. And anyway, you no proof, do you? she asks. I intend to investigate further, Julia says. If there is a conspiracy as Paul Stoddard claims, then I will find out. Elizabeth warns Julia to be very careful; Julia doesn’t realize the warning is actually a threat.

Elizabeth leaves and Chris arrives, looking spiffing in a tan trenchcoat (some nice frame grabs over at DS Wiki) and desperate for any news about Harrison Monroe. Julia describes her visit and says that Harrison Monroe is "slightly mad" (what she says!), and what’s more, he looks just as young as he did in 1897. Chris wants her to go back to the painter because the moon will be full tonight. But in the next breath, he despairs. Why are we fooling ourselves? he asks bitterly. There’s no hope for me. There is! Julia insists. If “Grant Douglas” doesn’t transform tonight, that will be proof that Quentin’s portrait exists. [Actually, she already has proof that Quentin’s portrait exists--if Grant Douglas is Quentin Collins, then he hasn’t aged since 1897!] And I’m still hoping to persuade Tate to do a portrait of you. I’ll make arrangements for you to go to Windcliff, she adds reassuringly. And I intend to be with Grant Douglas starting at dusk.

Elizabeth has made a beeline to the Old House and tells Barnabas about her conversation with Julia. It was very wise of you to come to me at once, Barnabas says. Elizabeth says Julia is determined to continue investigating. Barn decides there's only one solution: Julia must become one of "us." Reassured, Elizabeth wants some clarification about the Grand Leviathan Plan, about which Barn has given out only vague hints. I’m asking because of something Julia said, Elizabeth says. What are we trying to do? What has Paul got to do with it? You will know when the time comes, Barnabas replies. He adds with a smile, Meanwhile I can tell you that we will bestow on a particular person a very great honor. Who is this person? Elizabeth asks. He replies, Someone that we are all going to be very proud of, Elizabeth. That is all I can tell you. 

Julia is doing still more research on lycanthropy when Barnabas steps behind her, startling her. He asks about Chris Jennings, but irritably Julia accuses him of writing Chris off. Barnabas yet again accuses Julia of mistaking his motives and says he was discouraged when he returned from the past without a cure of Chris. Julia says Chris will stay at Windcliff tonight. Julia is still sitting on the sofa with her back to Barnabas, but suddenly becomes aware that he is staring at her intently. What are you doing? she asks, turning to face him. What do you want of me? Holding her gaze with his eyes, he replies, I’m concerned for your well-being. Have you been resting enough? Doctors are often neglectful of their own health, he comments. Julia is still enough in control to be dubious about his concern. I hope you find what you are looking for, Barnabas says with a smile. Julia may not trust Barnabas at the moment, but her eyes betray her when Barnabas gently strokes her face twice and tells her goodnight. After he leaves, Julia comes out of her semi-trance. What just happened here? she wonders. She gets up and starts upstairs, feeling strangely tired.

Grant/Quentin is very drunk when Olivia arrives. He greets her as Jenny Lind. [Quentin Collins would have known of the famous "Swedish Nightingale," the operatic soprano whose triumphant tours of the USA were still fresh in everyone's minds in the late nineteenth century.] Unfortunately they have a quarrel and he storms out after accusing her of never knowing who she really was. She picks up one of her framed photos and stares at it sadly.

Julia is lying on top of her bed, still fully dressed and with only the lycanthropy book for company, when she starts dreaming. To the accompaniment of thunder and lightning, she hears Barnabas’s voice telling her, You will believe someday soon. We will be close once more, as we were long ago. We need you, Julia, he tells her urgently. We need the resources of your mind. Come to us, he begs her. Slowly she descends the Great Staircase. When she’s nearly at the bottom, she sees Barnabas enter the house, holding the Leviathan box against his heart as if in a ceremonial procession. She follows him into the drawing room. What do you want? she asks. I want you to have the box, he replies. Remember how it interested her when you first saw it. You wanted to open it then, but I stopped you. As the sound of heavy breathing fills the room, Julia asks, What’s inside? Open it and look, Barnabas suggests. She raises her hand to turn the key, then shrinks back with a horrified No! You have no choice, Barnabas says sternly. No, no! Julia exclaims. I don't want to know anything more about it now! I don't want to see it! I don't want to see! she cries, and hurries out. But Barnabas slowly follows her, telling her, Yes, you do. It is too late to run now, Julia. You will be unable to resist anymore. When you see this box next, you will be compelled to open it. He laughs, as he almost never does, and sets the box down on the table. Suddenly Julia wakes up.

Downstairs in waking life, Barnabas tells Elizabeth that Julia has had the dream. (Elizabeth is wearing her black velvet dinner dress with the serpent brooch.) Barn orders Elizabeth to stay with Julia until she opens the box. He leaves the room and goes through the servants’ door. A moment later, Julia comes down. Elizabeth smiles pleasantly as she tells Julia, Someone left you a present. She shows Julia the box. Instantly wary, Julia asks, Who left it? I don’t know, Elizabeth replies, but don’t you want to open it and find out what’s inside? Open it, she repeats, making it almost an order. Julia is terrified and resists with all her strength, but it is not enough. She is about to turn the key when there’s a knock at the front door. Ignore it, Elizabeth practically commands her. Open the box. Finally Julia manages to break away and race to the door. She lets Chris in, and he practically has to hold her up, since she’s still reacting to what just happened. It’s three o’clock, he reminds her frantically, when I was supposed to meet you here. Without even stopping for her coat, Julia gratefully hurries out to take him to Windcliff.

Barnabas returns, and Elizabeth tells him what happened. She will never open it, Barnabas says with regret. He explains, Certain people can’t be absorbed, and Julia is one of them. It’s something to do with their genetic structure. Julia will have to be dealt with, he concludes, and you must find a way to do it.

After taking Chris to Windcliff, Julia arrives at Olivia Corey’s suite with the cleaned painting. She tells Olivia, I did what you did and had the painting x-rayed. You knew there was a portrait under the landscape, but you didn’t know whose. I’ve taken the next step and had it cleaned. She unwraps it and shows Olivia the portrait of Amanda Harris. It has no value to me, Olivia says dismissively. I have several portraits of my grandmother. It has no value to you because it isn’t Quentin’s portrait, Julia replies. I want to show it to Grant Douglas, since Quentin had a relationship with Amanda. This isn’t the right time to see him, Olivia suggests discreetly. He was disturbed by something, got drunk, and is sleeping it off. Julia smiles and says, Then this is definitely the right time to see him. The two women go to Grant’s room, but when they open the door, the room is an absolute shambles--and empty..............

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: Uncle Roger on April 06, 2015, 03:31:43 PM

Julia makes a classic error in logic here. If Grant Douglas did not change into a werewolf during the full moon, it would not necessarily have meant that the portrait was still intact. It could simply have meant that Grant Douglas was not Quentin.

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: DarkLady on April 06, 2015, 09:11:04 PM

Very true. But she's so invested in believing that Grant = Quentin that she can't consider any other possibility.

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: Patti Feinberg on April 08, 2015, 02:24:01 AM

I really hoped Paul would 'get away' with help from Eliot.

Again, this is the last storyline which Joan Bennett really gets to use her abilities.

Weird/sad/weird with Barn and Julia.

Chris saved the day for Julia!!

Weird, now, 45 years later, hearing (reading) Barn say some people have genetic blah blah. I don't think it was very common speech back then.

Patti

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: Uncle Roger on April 08, 2015, 08:58:32 AM

I did think that it stretched credibility when the genetic immunity stretched to include [spoiler]Maggie.[/spoiler]

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: DarkLady on April 08, 2015, 05:21:44 PM

I like JB in PT1970. She said that Flora (1840) was her favorite role.

Fans must have gone nuts about the Barn/Julia thing when this first aired! But if I remember rightly, we will get an explanation pretty soon.

Did Barn really say "genetic"? My notes for this ep. don't include it, but it certainly is interesting that Barn apparently reads all the latest scientific journals. Maybe Julia leaves them at the Old House for him once she's finished with them.

The first time I saw this ep., I was so relieved that she didn't open the box. Apparently there is a temporal aspect to opening the box as well as a genetic susceptibility.

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: Uncle Roger on April 08, 2015, 06:18:23 PM

The Leviathan selection process is pretty odd. Elizabeth would be as an asset, with her money and social connections, as would Sky Rumson. But a couple of adolescent kids like Amy and David? An amoral psychopath like Bruno? Wouldn't someone like Professor Stokes been a better choice?

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: Patti Feinberg on April 09, 2015, 12:00:32 AM

Dark Lady....thanks, I had never heard that Flora was JB's fav role.

[spoiler]...was Amy a 'pro-Levi'? I didn't think she was....[/spoiler]

Having David was actually a very good choice; he could be all over, as any adolescent would be; plus, the average teen may have had cops saying, "Where are you going kid?", but, as a Collins, he wouldn't be bothered. (IMHO)

no way Jose....keep your Levi mitts off my Stokes!!

Patti

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: DarkLady on April 09, 2015, 03:27:57 PM

Uncle Roger, the mature Leviathan would need a fixer, so it/he wouldn't have to get its/his hands dirty. That's probably why Bruno was/will be brought in.

I don't remember whether Amy is a Leviathan or not. But Patti, you make a good point about David. As a Collins and a teenager, he could go wherever. We know he has good taste in kids' clothes.

I think Stokes was waaaay too smart to be taken in.

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: Josette on April 10, 2015, 07:26:58 AM

I think Amy was one of the immune ones, but it's been a long time, so I don't know for sure.

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on May 09, 2015, 11:26:52 PM

OMG - until I was going though the past posts for this ep on the Games boards, I'd completely forgotten about posting this screen cap:

(http://www.dsboards.com/SMF/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=21037.0;attach=26254)

Too funny!!  [lghy]  And Magnus came up with an even funnier set up:

Quote from: MagnusTrask on January 22, 2010, 05:22:26 AM

Re: Episode #0916

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: Uncle Roger on May 10, 2015, 01:01:11 AM

That screen cap and Magnus' setup somehow managed to elude me. Until now. [snow_smileydevil]

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on May 10, 2015, 08:07:57 PM

I'd also forgotten that Barn's suit/tie combination is so bright in this ep:

(http://www.dsboards.com/SMF/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60957.0;attach=105605)

Had they ever dressed him so springlike before this? It seems that normally he's in such dark colors...

But regardless, he looks great in this ep.

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: DarkLady on May 11, 2015, 02:10:22 PM

MB, many thanks as always for the wonderful frame grab. That is an unusual outfit for Barnabas, and JF looks great in it.

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: MagnusTrask on May 17, 2015, 08:28:32 AM

David was not chosen by the Leviathans.  He was exposed to the book, and converted by it.

Selby VO.  From my notes made a month ago: "Julia's drink is clearly a stiff one."  ??  Also: "Liz rolls eyes at Julia saying 3 kids are one".  Julia's induced dream includes that classic stock lightning bolt that was used in all supernatural stories on TV back then.   I want to know when and where it's from.  Seems like Barnabas is offering Julia a box of cigars.  How to quiet down Julia and stop her involvement?  Evicting her from Collinwood would be a start!  Julia must have some interesting dirt on Elizabeth...

Julia's painting is huge now!   In my notes: "J: When drunk is precisely the right time to see him!"  Smiling...  ??

Quote from: DarkLady on April 06, 2015, 03:17:07 PM

[Actually, she already has proof that Quentin’s portrait exists--if Grant Douglas is Quentin Collins, then he hasn’t aged since 1897!]

  These logical snafus are frustrating.

I like that amnesiac Q thinks of OC as Jenny Lind, and that no one pursues that further.  A little wink at the viewers...

Sorry I was extracted from the WP for a few weeks.  I had an infected left arm, and had to have frequent IVs of anti-biotic all this time, that they needed me in a hospital bed to give me.  No internet.

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: Uncle Roger on May 17, 2015, 03:20:54 PM

Welcome back, Magnus! I think I speak for all of us when I say the board just wasn't the same without you! It seems that April wasn't a banner month for either of us (See OT: Surgery for the full story.). I am just about back to normal and I hope that you are as well! [cheerleader] [cheerleader] [cheerleader]

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: Midnite on May 17, 2015, 05:06:01 PM

Missed you, Magnus!  I hope you're on the mend.

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: MagnusTrask on May 17, 2015, 07:26:13 PM

Thanks very much, Unc plus Midnite!  Very glad you came through it well.  I'll read about that later--- sleep overpowering me now...

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: Josette on May 18, 2015, 06:36:45 AM

WELCOME BACK, MAGNUS!!!  I hope all's well - I've been concerned with the long absence.

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: dom on May 18, 2015, 12:24:15 PM

Happy you are back, Magnus.  [snow_happy]

Who is OC/Jenny Lind?

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: DarkLady on May 18, 2015, 02:42:12 PM

Jenny Lind. aka the "Swedish Nightingale," was one of the greatest singers of the 19th century. She was discovered as a young girl while singing to her cat (<3) and went on to become an international sensation with multiple tours sponsored by (of all people) P. T. Barnum. You can find out more about her here (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/foster/peopleevents/p_lind.html).

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: dom on May 18, 2015, 11:26:37 PM

And OC is Olivia Corey, gotcha - I couldn't get it until just now, and I figured Jenny Lind was a character I forgot about. I thought OC was the actor's initials who played Jenny Lind, lol. And I couldn't come up with anything for the life of me. Thanks!

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: MagnusTrask on May 19, 2015, 09:33:29 AM

Thanks very much, Josette and dom, and thanks for inquiring in a PM dom, and since I can't send outgoing PMs on this board, I'm answering here...  The light was the biggest bad thing at the hospital/home.  It's unsettling going from people entering your room every couple hours and bringing you breakfast, to just me in this nasty apartment.

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: dom on May 19, 2015, 12:28:52 PM

I wish I'd remembered that about the PMs. I got a little depressed thinking the worst. I guess your a tough old bird. (My ex-wife agrees about the constant parade of hospital folk whenever she goes and says she can't get any sleep.)

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: Uncle Roger on May 19, 2015, 12:35:54 PM

I have always found it extremely difficult to sleep in the hospital, with the lights and excessive noise. The only way that I was able to get any rest at all was with Ambien. I don't take sedatives anywhere else (Sorry, Julia) but I always ask for the doctor to prescribe it for me when I'm in the hospital.

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: DarkLady on May 19, 2015, 02:21:14 PM

MT, your posts are always a pleasure to read!

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: MagnusTrask on May 20, 2015, 05:24:04 AM

Thanks DL... Sorry about the worry dom... thanks for being concerned.  I can't quite wrap my head around people actually being concerned about me.

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: Roland on May 20, 2015, 08:01:47 AM

Quote from: DarkLady on May 18, 2015, 02:42:12 PM

Jenny Lind. aka the "Swedish Nightingale," was one of the greatest singers of the 19th century. She was discovered as a young girl while singing to her cat (<3) and went on to become an international sensation with multiple tours sponsored by (of all people) P. T. Barnum. You can find out more about her here (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/foster/peopleevents/p_lind.html).

I believe she was a featured character in an episode of "Here Come the Brides" in the late '60s.

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: MagnusTrask on May 23, 2015, 02:48:58 AM

That was a great show.

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: dom on May 23, 2015, 11:28:38 PM

I remember my dad gushing over Joan Blondell - (while I was gushing over David Soul and Robert Brown, lol).

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: MagnusTrask on May 24, 2015, 02:02:05 AM

I liked Robert Brown, in Brides and Star Trek, and wished he'd had more parts, I think.

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: Uncle Roger on May 24, 2015, 03:20:53 AM

I met Robert Brown and Bridget Hanley at an autograph show some years ago. They had both aged well, though his hair had gone grey. They couldn't have been nicer. He was particularly pleased when I brought up the movie that he had done with Vincent Price, Tower of London.

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0916
Post by: DarkLady on May 24, 2015, 05:28:16 PM

Uncle Roger, I remember that Star Trek episode!